Seat Modification

rusty rider · 07-13-2008, 07:51 PM

I recently tried softening my seat. I removed the vinyl from my seat and added a foam cushion to the center of the seat. I then added cotton around the cushion to build up both sides. This has helped a lot, but after about a 100 miles my tail bone still hurts. I've looked at the high priced gel cushions, and the air cushions and I can't believe the prices. So for now I'm easy to spot out on the highway, I'm the guy that keeps scooting around on his seat like I've got ants in my pants and a huge grimace that might pass for a grin O_o

If anyone has some [u]inexpensive solutions I would appreciate your in-put. :cool:

Sarris · 07-13-2008, 08:07 PM

I've looked into all kinds of replacements (none available) and explored everything from gell pads to air cushions. There really just isn't anything available that will make the miserable GZ seat more compliant short of re-upholstery w/ new high grade shaped foam. It's just a cheap shitty seat.

I'm going to have mine custom re-upholstered w/ high grade memory foam that reshapes the butt bowl and moves me farther back and accomodates my 295 lb. weight. It's between $200 to $250, but I just can't stand it any more.

I was hoping that the VZ800 Marauder seat would fit, to no avail. Close, but no cigar.

I love my GZ, but I truly hate the seat.

rayzuki · 07-13-2008, 08:43 PM

I was bidding an a VZ800 seat but was out bid at the last minute. Why does it not fit? How close is it?

music man · 07-13-2008, 08:56 PM

I think sarris said that from the latch post to the little hook at the front it is longer then ours but if you look here you can find out for sure. It sure did look like it would fit though, sucks bad that it doesn't.

http://www.gz250bike.com/viewtopic.php?t=886

Sarris · 07-13-2008, 09:23 PM

The seats are virtually identical with the exception of the tongue to latch post dimension. It's 13.25" on the GZ seat and 15.25" on the VZ seat. I had a guy on E-bay measure the distance and he gave me a 13.25" (wrong) dimension, so I ordered an aftermarket seat ($350) and it did not fit. It also could not be modified as you would have to shorten the pan. Brother, Jonathan180iq and I really thought we had a match.
:oops:

Sucks, don't it.
:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

primal · 07-13-2008, 11:42 PM

Are the physical dimensions of the VZ and GZ seats the same and the only difference the distance between the latch and tongue? Or is the entire seat 2" too long?

Any chance you could take a picture of the bottom of the seats for comparisons?

rayzuki · 07-14-2008, 12:58 AM

so all I need to do is relocate the rear catch. I will look into that tomorrow. going to start on the signal beepers anyway.

Orpheus · 07-14-2008, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarris

I've looked into all kinds of replacements (none available) and explored everything from gell pads to air cushions.

Have you actually tried the different pads? I was thinking about trying to find some sort of seat pad for an exercise bike (one of the "old lady" style seats) and I figured that it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than a motorcycle-specific pad. If you've tried the different types of cushions, though, it might not be worth the search.

Sarris · 07-14-2008, 08:27 AM

Primal & Ray;
As I said before, the entire seat pan is 2" too long. It will not fit into the "crotch" between the seat and fender. Second, if you could just "move" the latch post or latch post hardware, it wouldn't latch because the post entry angle would change as you rotate the mount around the fender radius. If you could "move" the mounting tongue back 2", the seat would be 2" or more up the gas tank. The shape of the pan will pretty much precludes moving either. I think if you modify a VZ 800 seat you'd have to cut down the pan & re-upholster anyway, so why not just re-do the GZ seat? Also, I've already returned the aftermarket seat, so I won't be able to post any photos. You can find some on E-bay, as some sellers show a bottom view of the seat.

Orph;
I've tried the Airhawk air cushion. It was OK but left me with the very uncomfortable feeling of not being firmly planted on the seat. I felt like I was sliding forward upon braking, backwards on acceleration, and sliding off the side while cornering. It also raises you up 1" or more dependant on the amount of inflation.

I've also tried a large gel pad. It felt to me like I had crapped my pants and felt even more squishy when cornering and again left me with the uncomfortable feeling of not being firmly planted on the seat.

As I've said I'm a big guy and the "add on" seat stuff just doesn't work for me. I'm gonna get my seat re-done. That don't mean they won't work for you.

trykemike · 07-14-2008, 12:45 PM

I included a picture of the gel cushion that I made for my bike in the ride to the trailer under ride reports here it is again

It cost $10 to make from a store bought gel cushion and spring back to shape everytime.

I can ride 2-3 hrs at a stretch with no problems now.

07-13-2008, 07:51 PM	#1
rusty rider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: terre haute Posts: 142	Seat Modification I recently tried softening my seat. I removed the vinyl from my seat and added a foam cushion to the center of the seat. I then added cotton around the cushion to build up both sides. This has helped a lot, but after about a 100 miles my tail bone still hurts. I've looked at the high priced gel cushions, and the air cushions and I can't believe the prices. So for now I'm easy to spot out on the highway, I'm the guy that keeps scooting around on his seat like I've got ants in my pants and a huge grimace that might pass for a grin O_o If anyone has some [u]inexpensive solutions I would appreciate your in-put. :cool: __________________ Live life simple, so that others can simply live. Login or Register to Remove Ads
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07-13-2008, 08:07 PM	#2
Sarris Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Port Richey, Florida USA Posts: 1,348	Seat I've looked into all kinds of replacements (none available) and explored everything from gell pads to air cushions. There really just isn't anything available that will make the miserable GZ seat more compliant short of re-upholstery w/ new high grade shaped foam. It's just a cheap shitty seat. I'm going to have mine custom re-upholstered w/ high grade memory foam that reshapes the butt bowl and moves me farther back and accomodates my 295 lb. weight. It's between $200 to $250, but I just can't stand it any more. I was hoping that the VZ800 Marauder seat would fit, to no avail. Close, but no cigar. I love my GZ, but I *truly* hate the seat. __________________ Prudent riders live longer than moron riders.
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07-13-2008, 08:43 PM	#3
rayzuki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: portland, or Posts: 154	I was bidding an a VZ800 seat but was out bid at the last minute. Why does it not fit? How close is it? __________________ Yeah, I'm about as useful as a condom dispenser in the vatican. -- Jonathan Login or Register to Remove Ads
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07-13-2008, 08:56 PM	#4
music man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hot Springs Arkansas Posts: 1,127	I think sarris said that from the latch post to the little hook at the front it is longer then ours but if you look here you can find out for sure. It sure did look like it would fit though, sucks bad that it doesn't. http://www.gz250bike.com/viewtopic.php?t=886 __________________ "Tell me what kind of wreck you're going to have and I'll tell you what type of helmet you need." [Author Unknown]
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07-13-2008, 09:23 PM	#5
Sarris Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Port Richey, Florida USA Posts: 1,348	Seat The seats are virtually identical with the exception of the tongue to latch post dimension. It's 13.25" on the GZ seat and 15.25" on the VZ seat. I had a guy on E-bay measure the distance and he gave me a 13.25" (wrong) dimension, so I ordered an aftermarket seat ($350) and it did not fit. It also could not be modified as you would have to shorten the pan. Brother, Jonathan180iq and I *really* thought we had a match. :oops: Sucks, don't it. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: __________________ Prudent riders live longer than moron riders. Login or Register to Remove Ads
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07-13-2008, 11:42 PM	#6
primal Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hurricane, WV Posts: 446	Are the physical dimensions of the VZ and GZ seats the same and the only difference the distance between the latch and tongue? Or is the entire seat 2" too long? Any chance you could take a picture of the bottom of the seats for comparisons?
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07-14-2008, 12:58 AM	#7
rayzuki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: portland, or Posts: 154	so all I need to do is relocate the rear catch. I will look into that tomorrow. going to start on the signal beepers anyway. __________________ Yeah, I'm about as useful as a condom dispenser in the vatican. -- Jonathan
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07-14-2008, 08:27 AM	#9
Sarris Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Port Richey, Florida USA Posts: 1,348	Seat Primal & Ray; As I said before, the entire seat pan is 2" too long. It will not fit into the "crotch" between the seat and fender. Second, if you could just "move" the latch post or latch post hardware, it wouldn't latch because the post entry angle would change as you rotate the mount around the fender radius. If you could "move" the mounting tongue back 2", the seat would be 2" or more up the gas tank. The shape of the pan will pretty much precludes moving either. I think if you modify a VZ 800 seat you'd have to cut down the pan & re-upholster anyway, so why not just re-do the GZ seat? Also, I've already returned the aftermarket seat, so I won't be able to post any photos. You can find some on E-bay, as some sellers show a bottom view of the seat. Orph; I've tried the Airhawk air cushion. It was OK but left me with the very uncomfortable feeling of not being firmly planted on the seat. I felt like I was sliding forward upon braking, backwards on acceleration, and sliding off the side while cornering. It also raises you up 1" or more dependant on the amount of inflation. I've also tried a large gel pad. It felt to me like I had crapped my pants and felt even more squishy when cornering and again left me with the uncomfortable feeling of not being firmly planted on the seat. As I've said I'm a big guy and the "add on" seat stuff just doesn't work for me. I'm gonna get my seat re-done. That don't mean they won't work for you. __________________ Prudent riders live longer than moron riders.
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07-14-2008, 12:45 PM	#10
trykemike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: toronto ont canada Posts: 177	seat mod I included a picture of the gel cushion that I made for my bike in the ride to the trailer under ride reports here it is again It cost $10 to make from a store bought gel cushion and spring back to shape everytime. I can ride 2-3 hrs at a stretch with no problems now. __________________ sds4
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