Shifting Gears / Clutch / Transmission --- How to operate

[mole2]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

I was in no way trying to chase him off here. The impression I got was that he had a really bad lack of extremely basic knowledge by the type of questions he asked, and his persistence in trying to get them answered, and his seemingly poor grasp of what he was being told, that he would be much better off taking a course and reading those good books instead of getting told something on here he didn't understand and going on his bike out on the road to figure it out.
I was trying to save his ass, that of someone else he might hit, and his bike, and I said that a few times. I never did not offer to help him, I knew he would get better help elsewhere (with an MSF instructor), and I never felt that way about anyone else on here who asked a simple basic question. 7653 was very different and I hope he takes a course and then comes back. I don't think any of us who gave him that advice, as many times as he got it, has to defend themselves for telling him that. You want to teach him to ride by answering his questions on here, then you are the same fool he is to think he can learn to ride from asking you how do I shift, can I go from 1st to 5th or vice versa, etc. I can't do that from here. Now, if I saw him in person and spent one on one time with him, I'm sure I could do that. The MSF people can do it better.

+1 :2tup:

[alantf]

I think the main problem was that he is American. By that I mean that ALL his driving/riding prior to the gz was "point and shoot" i.e. automatic. Thus he had no comprehension whatsoever regarding gears. In no other country in the world are the majority of cars automatic. In England, if you pass your test in an automatic car that's all you can drive. To drive a car with a manual gearbox you have to take another test in that type of car. This means that virtually everyone learns on a manual car, so they have this knowledge when they start riding. If they start riding first, they have nothing to unlearn. I reckon this holds true in every other country in the world. It just seems that this was one guy in particular who had a great difficulty unlearning "point and shoot"

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[alantf]

Originally Posted by Gz Rider

I'd rather the the car behind me in traffic that says "student driver" be an automatic.

In both England & Spain the driving school cars are dual control i.e. the instructor has a clutch & brake in his footwell too. If the learner makes a mistake, the instructor can declutch & brake, to stop the car safely.

[mrlmd1]

That's to save the instructor's ass (and the car). Some of those cars have dual steering as well.

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[JWR]

Originally Posted by Gz Rider

Is that what Easy used to do? Defend people and encourage inclusion?

No, he was always right and had to have the last word.

If the shoe fits....