Hey alancorcoran, Look here

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

I think there's some kind of lesson to be learned here, and I'm not exactly sure what it is.

In a much broader philosophical (sp?) sense, maybe so.

On Stardate 2630, we will all be just one big world and all disagreement and strife will be gone.
Until then, stuff happens.

Most of what happens here is all in good natured fun. I sometimes get the feeling that you don't have a good grasp of that.

Once in a while someone gets carried away and says something they shouldn't (although God knows **I** would never do that :shocked: ).

It is NORMAL human interaction; really it is.

Edit: The second message on the second page of this thread is also from you. It has quite a different tone. It was posted about 30 minutes after the one I quoted above. Are you trying on purpose to confuse us..........or are you just letting your thoughts "run" out through your fingers?? Something doesn't feel right.

[alanmcorcoran]

Hey guys, good news! I laid my Strat down... again!!! So score another point for the GZ (which has never, ever been down, not even close!)

I can't explain exactly how it happened, but in CA we have these on-ramp meters (basically little traffic lights at the part of the on ramp where you should really be flogging your little horsie, but you have to stop.) I had had a bad day at the (home) office and was on my way to perform at a benefit and was a little distracted/nervous/anxious and I got caught off guard by a car that "didn't go" (the meters some time say "2 cars per green, etc." I actually didn'teven realize they were on - they usually aren't at the time of day it was - there was no traffic on the freeway at all) and had to do a semi-panic stop. I was in third or fourth gear and going up a steep hill and the shoulder was loose gravel. I think I tried to get it down to first instead of putting my feet down. When I did put my foot down, it slid a little, and I realized, I was past the point of holding up my 800 pounds. I've been feeling kind of sore and weak from several bad falls on the slopes to boot, so I basically had to set her down. Couldn't pick it back up either (yes Patrick, I tried the technique from the video, but I couldn't get traction in the loose shoulder. So passers by helped me pick it up and I was on my way. Some more minor scratches on the windshield and a little on the saddlebag.

One more lesson learned, and fortunately, pain free. Needless to say, I would not have had this problem in the GZ. Unfortunately, the bear head I had to wear fit in the Strat saddlebag and I don't have luggage or a trunk on the GZ.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

I think I tried to get it down to first instead of putting my feet down.

This is not necessarily a criticism of you, Alan, just a good time to make a point:

Some supposed "experts" (self proclaimed) will disagree with this but the simple fact of the matter is: In a panic stop, one has no business F***ing with the gear shift. You should be concentrating on stopping and keeping the bike upright. This involves both brakes, the clutch, the handle bars and maybe even shifting your weight and putting your feet down when almost stopped (hoping you actually get to that point). Your brain can do only so many things at the same time.......especially on short notice. Shifting gears should NOT be one of them.

To that end, when you practice your "urgent" stops, you should practice it that way: without shifting gears.

[mrlmd1]

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

In a much broader philosophical (sp?) sense, maybe so.

On Stardate 2630, we will all be just one big world and all disagreement and strife will be gone.
Until then, stuff happens.

Most of what happens here is all in good natured fun. I sometimes get the feeling that you don't have a good grasp of that.

Once in a while someone gets carried away and says something they shouldn't (although God knows **I** would never do that :shocked: ).

It is NORMAL human interaction; really it is.

Edit: The second message on the second page of this thread is also from you. It has quite a different tone. It was posted about 30 minutes after the one I quoted above. Are you trying on purpose to confuse us..........or are you just letting your thoughts "run" out through your fingers?? Something doesn't feel right.

I read this a few times, I read my 2 posts on here, and I'm trying to figure out exactly what you are trying to say, and I can't. Somehow it sounds a little negative, a little derogatory, my perception, like you have some kind of chip on your shoulder, ? against me or what I have to say, against some others on here too. While you do have some excellent advice and comments, it's like you are the only one on here who knows anything, about everything. It doesn't really matter to me, again I'm going to let it slide. If "something doesn't feel right" to you, if you have something to say to me, do it directly so we can get it out of the way and resolve it. Otherwise, take a step back and relax a little, go out for a ride and then come back refreshed. AC has taken this all in stride, you should too. This undoubtedly will start another thread.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

I'm not singling you out specifically, but you have become an example, a target, for a comment made, taken by someone else to be derogatory or demeaning, and we, all of us, shouldn't have any of that.

Maybe we should not be pissing off the ones who love us the most - the other GZ BIKERS on here, in our very own forum, our very own family. Maybe we shouldn't make derogatory comments about each other's bikes, clothes, helmets, opinions, and other personal things.

Maybe we should be a little more careful what we write, read it before submitting, edit it a little. We shouldn't have to apologize to anybody. Get your point across in a kind, diplomatic way. IE., don't piss anyone off. at least not intentionally.

Herein lies the problem of text communication. It often means something different to the reader than the writer intended. I think that is the case here.

My problem with the above is: I can't quite get a grip on what your main point IS. It seems pretty negative overall but maybe was meant to be constructive. Not worth any further debate, IMHO.

NOW.....I DO have a problem with you, of all people, taking me to task for sharing my accumulated knowledge with others......which in some cases means despelling false impressions.

If this was a forum for laymen to discuss medical issues, I don't think YOU would appreciate being told "it's like you are the only one on here who knows anything, about everything" would you? I think that was a cheap shot.

Truce ?? Please. :cool:

[alanmcorcoran]

Hey guys! this is the beatin' up on alanmcorcoran thread! You're hogging my spotlight! Start your own thread for your fight...

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

Start your own thread for your fight...

:neener:

[music man]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

Hey guys! this is the beatin' up on alanmcorcoran thread! You're hogging my spotlight! Start your own thread for your fight...

If you really want me to divert this thread back to its original topic I would be MORE than happy to. :poke2:

[Water Warrior 2]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

Hey guys! this is the beatin' up on alanmcorcoran thread! You're hogging my spotlight! Start your own thread for your fight...

We get to beat up on Alan and he gets to beat up on the Liner. Just curious Alan, does the Liner have crash bars ? And Easy is more than correct when he says forget about downshifting in a panic stop. One more thing to go wrong in the coordination department.

[mrlmd1]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

Hey guys! this is the beatin' up on alanmcorcoran thread! You're hogging my spotlight! Start your own thread for your fight...

I was just trying to take the pressure off you, the pressure you deserved (?).
(see if my forum buddy Easy can figure that one out. And may the truce be with you, Easy).
Maybe my sense of humor is a little too dry for this, or too sarcastic, or it's hard to tell when I'm joking. :biggrin: :twisted:

On the more recent topic about AC and the Strat- Applying both brakes in a panic stop is a lot more efficient than trying to use engine braking by downshifting. The braking distance is less and there is much less to think about. Just pull in the clutch and firmly apply both brakes. Taught in all the MSF classes, in all the books, and should be practiced every once in a while so you know when and how to avoid a front or a rear wheel lockup and a skid. Each bike is feels different and ideally should be experienced.
And don't even think about "laying the bike down" in an emergency. First of all, the metal and skin sliding on the asphalt has a much lower coefficient of friction than does the rubber tires on the road and the distance 'till the slide stops is much higher when the bike's on the side than when upright on the tires. Secondly, anyone who tells you they did this, really means he panicked or skidded and fell over, did a low-side spill, and it was not done intentionally.