just refuse to start - Page 2

jsbulat · 04-09-2013, 09:22 AM

I am in Merrick, Nassau county.
Used to live in Flushing, and still telling everyone that i am New Yorker

**jonathan180iq** · 04-09-2013, 09:31 AM

The battery dying is only a concern if you don't have enough juice to turn the motor over. It sounds like attempting to start the bike isn't a problem. If you have a charger, just keep your battery in good shape and don't worry about that part.

The dollar bill test will let us know if your valves are out of whack. After that, there is a guide on this website for checking them for real. All you need are some feeler gauges and a couple of sockets. And once you get to the point where you can check then, then adjusting them isn't that much harder, if it's needed.

Did you experience any slowly progressing issues at all? When your valves are off, you're going to have a hard time starting, but it should still start.

raul10141964 · 04-09-2013, 11:32 AM

check the main jet on the carburator and the flout neadle

**jonathan180iq** · 04-09-2013, 12:37 PM

Raul is right. If you feel confident in doing some light maintenance, we can walk you through just about everything.
You might want to pull the carb and make sure everything is clean. If you've only ridden 50 miles and aren't sure of the previous maintenance, we might as well give everything a good once over.

If Rookie can get over to you day, we can give him a call and do this all over the phone.

It's hard to diagnose whats going on through words. Any chance you can get us a video of what happens when you try and start the bike?

jsbulat · 04-09-2013, 10:21 PM

That's make perfect sense, Jonathan.
I've made the video how i started bike without choke. After that i wanted to show what happens when i use choke lever, but at the time i already flooded spark plug and was not be able to start again

Usually what happens: in the middle position engine skipping, in the down position it dies. It does not starts at all if the choke is not in top forward position. Video taken with air filter removed and choke lever in front position (dialog in Russian language, if you wonder

).

Link to the video:

I performed "dollar bill" test and it comes out good - no back-draft whatsoever.

I will do some more maintenance on Saturday: valve adjustment and carburetor cleaning/adjustment. Will post results.
If there is something else i can check, please tell me. Something small i can try every day, big tasks only on weekend.

I don't mind to get some grease on my hands, but i am always afraid to dismount something big (like engine dismount and disassemble because i am not ready to commit into mounting it back :biggrin: ).

Thank you for your time.

(Did you know that in Russian language you write word "you" with the capital "Y" and world "I" with minuscule "i"?

jsbulat · 04-10-2013, 01:06 AM

Raul,

Cleaning and adjustment carburetor is a big job. I am certainly going to do it on weekend and post results, but do you really think that wrong float needle adjustment could cause immediate failure? Like bike stared and run perfectly good and immediately after that just wont start at all?
I don't really know. But unless there is some big clog made its way to carburetor, problems should accumulate during some time before become so bad as mine...

Actually, that's quite a possibility. Lets say sudden stop (because of wrong gear start) agitates dirt in the tank that clogs (one of) the carburetor passage(s). That definitely could be a reason of immediate carburetor malfunction.

Thank you for consideration.

Water Warrior 2 · 04-10-2013, 01:13 AM

Just a thought here. The bike ran well until the inspection. Was something done to it during the inspection? Yes, I am a suspicious kind of guy.

Rookie Rider · 04-10-2013, 01:58 AM

I can meet up with you jsbulat, im always in Levittown, and Hicksville visiting my brother and my sister.

Rookie Rider · 04-10-2013, 01:59 AM

I took my carb off and took all the jets out. First time for me, and it wasnt all that bad honestly.

**jonathan180iq** · 04-10-2013, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rookie Rider

I took my carb off and took all the jets out. First time for me, and it wasnt all that bad honestly.

It's pretty straight forward:
-Remove tank (gas line, vaccum line and 2 bolts)
-Drain float bowl
-Remove carb
-Clean
-Reinstall

There are photos in various parts of the forum if you need a guide.

Make sure your phillips head bits are the proper size and that they are good and sharp. You will also want to have a small set of vise grips on hand in case some of those little screws are really stuck on there. Be careful not to strip the cross head on the screw. Finding replacements can be difficult.

EDIT: I can't access the video at work. I should be able to get back to you after lunch, EST.

04-09-2013, 09:22 AM	#11
jsbulat Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: New York Posts: 12	Re: just refuse to start I am in Merrick, Nassau county. Used to live in Flushing, and still telling everyone that i am New Yorker Login or Register to Remove Ads
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04-09-2013, 09:31 AM	#12
jonathan180iq Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dalton, GA Posts: 3,996	Re: just refuse to start The battery dying is only a concern if you don't have enough juice to turn the motor over. It sounds like attempting to start the bike isn't a problem. If you have a charger, just keep your battery in good shape and don't worry about that part. The dollar bill test will let us know if your valves are out of whack. After that, there is a guide on this website for checking them for real. All you need are some feeler gauges and a couple of sockets. And once you get to the point where you can check then, then adjusting them isn't that much harder, if it's needed. Did you experience any slowly progressing issues at all? When your valves are off, you're going to have a hard time starting, but it should still start.
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04-09-2013, 11:32 AM	#13
raul10141964 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Elkhart, Indiana Posts: 369	Re: just refuse to start check the main jet on the carburator and the flout neadle Login or Register to Remove Ads
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04-09-2013, 12:37 PM	#14
jonathan180iq Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dalton, GA Posts: 3,996	Re: just refuse to start Raul is right. If you feel confident in doing some light maintenance, we can walk you through just about everything. You might want to pull the carb and make sure everything is clean. If you've only ridden 50 miles and aren't sure of the previous maintenance, we might as well give everything a good once over. If Rookie can get over to you day, we can give him a call and do this all over the phone. It's hard to diagnose whats going on through words. Any chance you can get us a video of what happens when you try and start the bike?
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04-09-2013, 10:21 PM	#15
jsbulat Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: New York Posts: 12	Re: just refuse to start That's make perfect sense, Jonathan. I've made the video how i started bike without choke. After that i wanted to show what happens when i use choke lever, but at the time i already flooded spark plug and was not be able to start again Usually what happens: in the middle position engine skipping, in the down position it dies. It does not starts at all if the choke is not in top forward position. Video taken with air filter removed and choke lever in front position (dialog in Russian language, if you wonder ). Link to the video: I performed "dollar bill" test and it comes out good - no back-draft whatsoever. I will do some more maintenance on Saturday: valve adjustment and carburetor cleaning/adjustment. Will post results. If there is something else i can check, please tell me. Something small i can try every day, big tasks only on weekend. I don't mind to get some grease on my hands, but i am always afraid to dismount something big (like engine dismount and disassemble because i am not ready to commit into mounting it back :biggrin: ). Thank you for your time. (Did you know that in Russian language you write word "you" with the capital "Y" and world "I" with minuscule "i"? Login or Register to Remove Ads
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04-10-2013, 01:06 AM	#16
jsbulat Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: New York Posts: 12	Re: just refuse to start Raul, Cleaning and adjustment carburetor is a big job. I am certainly going to do it on weekend and post results, but do you really think that wrong float needle adjustment could cause immediate failure? Like bike stared and run perfectly good and immediately after that just wont start at all? I don't really know. But unless there is some big clog made its way to carburetor, problems should accumulate during some time before become so bad as mine... Actually, that's quite a possibility. Lets say sudden stop (because of wrong gear start) agitates dirt in the tank that clogs (one of) the carburetor passage(s). That definitely could be a reason of immediate carburetor malfunction. Thank you for consideration.
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04-10-2013, 01:13 AM	#17
Water Warrior 2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Squamish B.C Canada Posts: 11,409	Re: just refuse to start Just a thought here. The bike ran well until the inspection. Was something done to it during the inspection? Yes, I am a suspicious kind of guy.
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04-10-2013, 01:58 AM	#18
Rookie Rider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Queens, NYC Posts: 1,263	Re: just refuse to start I can meet up with you jsbulat, im always in Levittown, and Hicksville visiting my brother and my sister.
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04-10-2013, 01:59 AM	#19
Rookie Rider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Queens, NYC Posts: 1,263	Re: just refuse to start I took my carb off and took all the jets out. First time for me, and it wasnt all that bad honestly.
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