Stalling during first fifteen minutes

[mrlmd1]

ER - I have to differ with you on this, and yank your chain a little.
AC said his idle speed was lower now than what he remembered before, but it's running fine and doesn't stall. Without a tach or some way to measure the rpm, you are relying on HIS perception of what the idle speed should be, which may be quite inaccurate. It might be set to the correct rpm by the shop. All of what you said may be true but not applicable to AC now. He's not stalling, not complaining of difficulty starting out in 1st gear, no problem with shifting, but you are relying on his perception that the speed is too low (which may be untrue) and telling him to bump up the idle speed with the big white knob? And how much, or how many rpm, is a tad? And how is that measured?
I don't buy that, at least without knowing what the idle rpm is, if he's not having any problems. Maybe now he's used to hearing the Strat which I'm sure has a totally different idle sound than the GZ, but why screw with it if it's running perfectly fine? Is a little higher idle speed better? Then why aren't they recommended to be set that way, and wouldn't even a little more be better still? :??: O_o

And, to your previous question - if it comes back worse, you bring it back again, just like AC did, and again, until it gets fixed to your satisfaction. Or complain to the manufacturer, then you'll get it fixed.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

ER - I have to differ with you on this, and yank your chain a little.

Yank all you want but I must tell you that you are getting under my skin just a bit.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that Alan is TOTALLY incompetent. While it might be fun to accuse him of that, I think it is FAR from the truth.

He described his idle speed such that he can hear and DISTINGUISH each time the cylinder fires.
That is a good indication that the idle speed is too low.......or do you think his hearing is bad too ??

Regardless of what the recommended idle speed is, a modern gas engine should never idle so slow that you can HEAR each individual power stroke. At an absolute minimum, it should idle fast enough that the operation is smooth and the only clunking or ticking is coming from the valves or the muffler.

Now, you can believe that or not; at the moment I don't care.

Alan will do what he wants and thinks is right and you and I arguing about what he does or does not do is really an exercise in futility. :skull:

[alanmcorcoran]

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

That message ended up sounding very close to GZ bashing.

Yeah, a little bit. Guilty as charged. Honest though.

Patrick? Sarris? Anybody else riding a GZ along with something a lot bigger? Am I crazy or do you feel just a teensy silly on the Suzi? I'm 5'11" which I thought was sort of average height until I got on here and heard all the pants complaints. Those experienced riders that are 6'2" must be very secure.

Don't mean I'm going to stop riding it. I look a lot sillier on the Trek bent over the bars sportin' my Spandex diaper pants.

[alanmcorcoran]

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

1. You seem to be operating under the assumption that Alan is TOTALLY incompetent.

1. I have learned a few things on here and under the bike, but I remain pretty ignorant of all but the basics. If I was retired and had fewer distractions, I'd probably be more adventurous with the mechanics and learn me up a bit on the manual and such. There's still time. I have decided I will have to Re-Re-Re-Re-F*ck with my windshield, so I'm getting a black belt in that thing. Big deal.

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

2. While it might be fun to accuse him of that, I think it is FAR from the truth.

2. Thanks. I am actually known for my competence. Just not with motorcycles.

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

3. He described his idle speed such that he can hear and DISTINGUISH each time the cylinder fires.
That is a good indication that the idle speed is too low.......or do you think his hearing is bad too ??

Regardless of what the recommended idle speed is, a modern gas engine should never idle so slow that you can HEAR each individual power stroke. At an absolute minimum, it should idle fast enough that the operation is smooth and the only clunking or ticking is coming from the valves or the muffler.

3. I get your point, but I don't believe it is too low. It's smooth and I don't have the troubles described (it's actually running really fantastic right now. I love it.) My hearing is fading with age but I listen with lifelong amateur musician ears so I may be over reporting. The exact sound tends to vary a bit anyway, and effing with the windsheild and switching to a 3/4 helmet for commuting has effected the way it sounds a lot. I typically wear earplugs on the Strat (and yes, you are right, it idles a bit higher.)

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

4. Alan will do what he wants and thinks is right and you and I arguing about what he does or does not do is really an exercise in futility.

4. True that. But I do listen (and sometimes even follow) some of the advice. The pissing contests are kind of entertaining too.

I reall wish Mike the service guy had been there the day I picked up the bike the last time. I missed the opportunity of a lifetime to learn the secret of fine tuning the Suzi. Maybe when I get new brakes.

[Water Warrior 2]

alantf, I hear you and agree for the most part. Sadly we grew up in a different world but we can't turn back time.

[alantf]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

or the cola mining region of China

Don't tell Pepsi that that's how they do it over there.

[alantf]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

when I first moved to Southern California, the air was chewable.

I hear what you're saying, but what I'm trying to say is :-
Over here, it's accepted that this little island is one of the most densely populated (traffic wise) places on earth. O.k., the newer cars run on unleaded, but that's because all the manufacturers make engines like that, nowadays. The climate's kind to the older cars over here, and there's an awful lot of them on the roads. They all use leaded petrol, which is freely available at all the pumps.
Like I said, they monitor the air in all the bigger cities, & the results are fine, without the need to make the mixture on my bike so week as to make it almost useless, & without strap on cannisters, & this mysterious "emission control" that your so called mechanics played about with.
I know that there have to be benefits in controlling emissions, but from personal experience you'll never convince me that 90% isn't just POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

I get your point, but I don't believe it is too low.

Make up your ficking mind, OK?
First it was, now it isn't. :??:
:skull:

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by alantf

I know that there have to be benefits in controlling emissions, but from personal experience you'll never convince me that 90% isn't just POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD.

Well, that's pretty sad.

Lead is POISON. The tailpipes where you live are spewing poison all the time.
You are letting emotion over-ride logic.......exactly what you are accusing the PC crowd of doing !!! :shocked:

Human beings are basically stupid. Even a dog knows not to crap where he sleeps.

[mrlmd1]

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

Make up your ficking mind, OK?
First it was, now it isn't. :??:
:skull:

I guess I yanked a little too hard, sorry, but who's getting under your skin now? And I am not saying he is totally IMCOMPETENT, maybe like a lot of us a little ignorant (means lack of knowledge, not stupid), sometimes in over his head. But this is where we come for information to make those decisions.
Let's call an end to this and have ? peace again.