2003 Blue Ohio

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

And IMHO, the only helmet I would buy used is one that is still in the box, was worn maybe once or twice, had absolutely no visible marks anywhere on it, and fit perfectly.

Well gee, that's not NEVER now is it ??

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

This is not only beating a dead horse, the discussion is falling on deaf ears.

Yes, that is becoming increasingly obvious.

I was ready to offer a sincere appology but you make it REALLY difficult........so I will just STFU.

[Evil Sibhod]

Yes dude, not ALL helmets can be cleaned, but that is why I said that most helmets now come with removable innards. As for the _____ Scan, like I said before, I don't know if MRI was the proper term, I'm not sure what would work best for this purpose, no argument there, but my source for the scan was the Motorcycle Ohio class instructors that I had last summer when I first started riding. They said that lots of hospitals would do free scans on helmets after crashes (and I don't mean because they're scanning the person in the helmet to make sure it's safe to remove) to see if it is still usable, though it should be replaced anyways. They may have just been speaking from experience where they did get it for free, and as for myself, my step mom is a nurse so I could probably get one too, but that's beside the point. Finally, I went right out and bought a helmet when I got 2 free ones because of one point stated previously that one of them was too small, and I didn't like the other because it was super round and looked really goofy. By the way, if I were to sell my helmet with the other 2 you don't have to worry about my dead skin and sweat or whatever else you fear, I wear a hat under my helmet. Sounds weird, but I turn it around and the bill sticks out of the bottom, and it actually makes it more comfortable.

[patrick_777]

I love this thread....

:popcorn:

[mrlmd1]

Well Patrick, it's not over yet---Here's some more.

I wrote that "the only helmet I would buy used is one that is still in the box, was worn maybe once or twice, had absolutely no visible marks anywhere on it, and fit perfectly", and ER just had to respond and prove a point :

"Well gee, that's not NEVER now is it ?? "

Yeah - basically it is. ER, you know that will not happen. You want to pick on every single word someone writes on here? Never heard of a figure of speech? Or do you just have to pick and say something?

Then ER wrote:

"I was ready to offer a sincere appology but you make it REALLY difficult........so I will just STFU."

That's a big bunch of BS too. I ? am making it difficult for YOU to offer a sincere apology? That's right, blame me because you can't admit you're wrong or out of line and don't really want to offer anybody an apology. That's good, a good post. You did suggest it, so why DON'T you STFU before you write something else stupid.

And to Evil and everyone else on here - let's take a poll, have a vote. How many of us would buy, purposely, a used helmet to use, not just something that came along with the bike, instead of going out and buying a new one? I would not, and just about every bike site and safety organization, and helmet review site does not recommend used helmets. For example, here's one article from a site explaining how to evaluate a used bike, with this section at the end. And in this article there is no discussion about crud, cooties, skin, other "stuff" that may or may not be able to be cleaned out.

HELMETS

* Used helmets are worthless. Regardless of whether it fits you or not, do not count the price of a used helmet as part of the value of the bike. The owner may want to sell the helmet, either because it matches the bike or because (s)he is quitting motorcycling, but since you'll be throwing the helmet out (or, at absolute worst, keeping it as a pillion helmet), don't count its value towards the sale price of the bike.
* Used helmets are worthless because you cannot tell if they are damaged or not, and in many cases you don't know when they were made. (Snell-certified helmets should have a date-of-manufacture stamp -- look for one. It might be under the padded lining.) Even if they look good, used helmets might well be junk. Motorcycle helmets work by allowing a layer of expanded polystyrene (EPS) to crush, absorbing much of the force of an impact. Unless the hard outer shell is damaged, you cannot tell if the EPS inside is compressed or not. And even then, sometimes you can't -- covering damage with stickers is just as common with helmets as it is with plastic fairings.
* Furthermore, EPS becomes more brittle as it ages, and old/brittle EPS has only a small fraction of the original impact absorption abilities. And since you may not know when the helmet was made (who cares when the previous owner bought the thing), you don't know how "fresh" the EPS is. The EPS layer in helmets is also highly vulnerable to ultraviolet and chemical damage -- if, for example, the helmet's owner was in the habit of resting the helmet on the bike's gas tank, gas vapors from the fill cap have attacked and compromised the EPS lining. Or if the helmet was left out in the sun a lot, it could also be damaged from the ultraviolet component of sunlight. Arai (a leading helmet manufacturer) cites acidic sweat as a leading cause of premature EPS degradation. The EPS can also be compressed if the helmet is habitually rested on pointy objects like mirror-stalks or handlebars. The bottom line is, despite what the owner says, you do not know what condition the EPS liner is in, and the EPS liner is the vast majority of the helmet's crash protection.
* It's not worth the risk. Yes, in some cases, you can send the helmet back to the manufacturer to have it X-rayed. But that will only tell you if the EPS liner has been compressed, not if it has been chemically damaged. Since you'll never know for sure, buy yourself a good quality new helmet from a good quality manufacturer, and stay away from used helmets.
* And if you're still thinking of using a used helmet, realize that helmet fit is one of the most important criteria in selecting a helmet, and it's highly unlikely that a used helmet will fit you as well as one you get from a shop, where you actually get to try different sizes and brands. (Shapes vary subtly by manufacturer; some manufacturers' helmets will fit you better than others.) And if that isn't enough, helmets tend to break in as the padded liner conforms to the unique shape of the wearer's head. You have a different-shaped head than the seller. Get your head its very own new helmet.

So, can we set up a vote or poll and see if anyone would really use someone else's old helmet?
Now I'll rest my case.

[patrick_777]

See thread:

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2318

Stop hijacking.

[mrlmd1]

Yassah boss man, Anything you say.
We won't gravitate and evolve from selling a bike with accessories including a helmet to say the helmet coming with the bike not being worth it.
Where it went or digressed from there was inappropriate, but not the helmet discussion, unless there is another thread about accessories or selling/buying advice that we could start.
So yassah, we'll stop highhjacking and resume the contest elsewhere as you wish.
So where will you put up the voting/polling on used helmets? I'd like to see that.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

Well Patrick, it's not over yet---

Yes, it is. Rant on if you like; you are just making yourself look silly.

[patrick_777]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

So where will you put up the voting/polling on used helmets? I'd like to see that.

There's a Safety forum, and you have the ability to start new threads and polls.

Do it yourself. I'm not your bitch.

[mrlmd1]

ER - I made a point and documented it and supported it with the opinion/article I posted, but In your mind that's a rant, making me look silly. Go right ahead, keep up the highjacking, keep up the criticism, keep up the debate and insults, keep it going. I thought you said you were going to STFU.
Patrick, either move this or start assigning points, and thanks so much for that information.

[patrick_777]

Again. You can reference particular posts on the board directly yourself (click the plus by the post title).

Please stop telling me what to do.

Originally Posted by patrick_777

I'm not your bitch.