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Old 01-08-2012, 02:38 AM   #11
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Old 01-08-2012, 02:46 AM   #12
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I'm no mechanic by any means but I'be tested the battery and all the fuses, and the new starter has been tested and I've made sure the kick stand switch is not malfunctioning. The only thing I find that's not working correctly is getting power from the battery too the starter, which I believe are connected my the ignition switch. Nothing happens when I push the switch but the bike starts right up when I place a wire directly from battery too the starter. Is there something else I should be checking? Your help as well as the others is much appreciated! :-)
You can test your starter switch to see if it is not functioning but I doubt that's the problem.
Where would that be located?
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Old 01-08-2012, 03:12 AM   #13
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Re: Lights come on but wont start.

I would be checking the starter switch on the right hand grip just below the kill switch. A little corrosion in there would cause a no start condition. Spray in some contact cleaner and exercise the button a bunch of times to limber it up. That is most likely the culprit if everything else is working.



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Old 01-08-2012, 03:58 AM   #14
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Old 01-08-2012, 05:58 AM   #15
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Re: Lights come on but wont start.

The thing that seems most prone to malfunctioning is the red kill switch itself. Try switching it on/off several times. This sometimes works. A good cleaning of it is also needed sometimes.

When you try to start, do you hear the starter relay, under the seat, clicking? If not, then the problem (apart from a run down battery) is definitely in the starter circuit somewhere. You'll have to get a meter, & check every connection in the circuit, in the correct order as shown in the wiring diagram. If you hear the relay clicking, then the starter circuit is o.k.

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Old 01-08-2012, 12:00 PM   #16
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Re: Lights come on but wont start.

The problem could still be your battery being weak, and that is the first place to start. What is the voltage measured at the battery terminals 1/2 hour or more after you charge it? How long at at what amperage did you charge it. A fully charged battery should read at least 12.6V. Try and connect a good 12V battery to the battery cables and not directly to the starter (can leave the bike battery in place when you do this) and see if it starts. That eliminates everything in the line if it starts that way and directs your problem to the battery itself. Don;t look for more exotic things when you have to do this systematically from the beginning.
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Old 01-08-2012, 05:16 PM   #17
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Re: Lights come on but wont start.

Ok, let's go over what works and what doesn't.

If the lights come one (you say they do) then the ignition switch is good.

The battery isn't likely the problem, or you would at least have a click when trying to start it.

You say the kickstand switch is good, and it seems to be.

The clutch switch may or not be the problem, but it is simple to test with a multimeter.

The kill switch isn't the problem, or the bike wouldn't start when you short to the starter (the starter would run , but the ignition circuit would not let it fire up).

You say the bike doesn't even click when you hit the start switch (with the clutch in). That means either the start switch is bad and not sending voltage on to the starter relay, or the problem is further down the circuit. (this can be tested with a multimeter, at the starter relay input).

If the starter switch is good, then check the starter relay. This can be done by shorting to the starter relay input, kind of the same thing as shorting to the starter, but in a different place.

In summary, check the starter switch on the right grip, the clutch switch on the left grip, and the starter relay. If none of those are the problem, it's probably wiring.
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Re: Lights come on but wont start.

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The battery isn't likely the problem, or you would at least have a click when trying to start it.



You say the bike doesn't even click when you hit the start switch (with the clutch in). That means either the start switch is bad and not sending voltage on to the starter relay, or the problem is further down the circuit. (this can be tested with a multimeter, at the starter relay input).
Sorry, just too many contradictions............If there is no click (i.e. the starter relay pulling in) then it could definitely be a battery problem.

You say that no click means a circuit problem. Again...... it could be a bad battery.

I'm afraid your answer doesn't supply any answers, or even any competent suggestions.

Sorry to be so abrupt, but I don't want this guy going in the wrong direction.

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The battery isn't likely the problem, or you would at least have a click when trying to start it.



You say the bike doesn't even click when you hit the start switch (with the clutch in). That means either the start switch is bad and not sending voltage on to the starter relay, or the problem is further down the circuit. (this can be tested with a multimeter, at the starter relay input).
Sorry, just too many contradictions............If there is no click (i.e. the starter relay pulling in) then it could definitely be a battery problem.

You say that no click means a circuit problem. Again...... it could be a bad battery.

I'm afraid your answer doesn't supply any answers, or even any competent suggestions.

Sorry to be so abrupt, but I don't want this guy going in the wrong direction.

(retired electrician)
A totally dead battery wouldn't give a click, but a battery strong enough to turn the starter when shorted would definitely at least cause a click in the starter relay. He also said the lights are on.

I also don't want him going in the wrong direction, which is why I posted what I did.

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The battery isn't likely the problem, or you would at least have a click when trying to start it.



You say the bike doesn't even click when you hit the start switch (with the clutch in). That means either the start switch is bad and not sending voltage on to the starter relay, or the problem is further down the circuit. (this can be tested with a multimeter, at the starter relay input).
Sorry, just too many contradictions............If there is no click (i.e. the starter relay pulling in) then it could definitely be a battery problem.

You say that no click means a circuit problem. Again...... it could be a bad battery.

I'm afraid your answer doesn't supply any answers, or even any competent suggestions.

Sorry to be so abrupt, but I don't want this guy going in the wrong direction.

(retired electrician)
A totally dead battery wouldn't give a click, but a battery strong enough to turn the starter when shorted would definitely at least cause a click in the starter relay. He also said the lights are on.

I also don't want him going in the wrong direction, which is why I posted what I did.

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I dont believe it is the clutch switch because It wont crank even by running a wire directly too starter without the clutch being pulled in. But the Starter switch today I was cleaning the inside of it will a very small finger nail file and it tried too start a few times. So I am very much leaning toward the problem being the starter switch. I ran a wire from the battery to a push switch and another wire from the push switch to the starter and I used that today and will use it till I can get a new starter switch ordered. But she ran great for 65 mile when I rode back too college today because It is my only vehicle. Again Thanks for all the comments and help Im very interested in keeping this bike and learning everything I can about it.
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