Found Oil on the Engine - Need Advice

[mrlmd1]

This is another example of putting too much faith in something printed, on the internet. On the bottom of that article is a notation 08/99 so I guess that's how old that is. A lot has changed since then and I wonder where that information came from.
Deep cycle batteries can be deeply discharged and survive recharge - they are designed that way. The newer technology AGM and regular lead acid batteries don't like that at all.
If a lead acid battery is in reasonable shape they can be saved by recharging. I can tell you from personal experience with 3 brand new ones, and from researching the manufacturer's web sites for information, even an absolutely brand new AGM battery off the shelf, if put into service without completely charging first, will be shot after the first use and will never hold a full charge again. Those batteries and regular lead acid starting batteries do not tolerate deep discharge very well and do not need to be "excercised" to keep them healthy.
Ni Cads are a different chemistry, they develop a memory and should be fully charged, then totally discharged, then recharged again prior to use. If they are recharged frequently before running down, their capacity will be reduced (their memory). Not so with AGM's or regular lead acid or deep cycle batteries. They all like to be at full charge to function properly. Deep discharge of a regular lead acid or AGM will shorten it's useful life.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by mrlmd1

On the bottom of that article is a notation 08/99 so I guess that's how old that is. A lot has changed since then and I wonder where that information came from.

That's when the ARTICLE was created. Some of the "information" in it is MUCH older than that.......including some of the mis-information !! :roll:

Like a lot of things written by "average" people, it is built around some solid information that he actually knows and then strays off into things that he is just guessing at or specualting about or even making up to embelish the story.

Of course nobody who posts HERE would ever do that.......right ??? :shocked: :crackup

[mrlmd1]

Right! You are SO correct. :2tup: :roll: :rawk: :whistle:

[alanmcorcoran]

And some people don't read the articles carefully, and argue against things that aren't even in there, based solely on their own opinions, which are, of course, beyond reproach.

I don't really care that much about the battery debate, but to clarify, the articles' author specifically warns AGAINST deeply discharging a lead acid battery. The "exercising" mentioned/suggested is a very mild discharge (of 1 to 2 volts of 12) and the article explains the effect/benefit of it. I can't be certain to the true authorship of the article cited, but it looks to me like it was posted by a HAM radio club.

If I recall correctly (which maybe I don't) the original inquiry asked about why it is bad for motorcycle batteries to be fully discharged and not for toothbrushes to be fully discharged and that was the question I was trying to address. Somehow, this quickly (as is often the case) turns into an "I know more than you do" debate that has nothing to do with the original question (and, frankly, a point I'm more than willing to concede.)

Here is another link that talks about lead acid batteries and exercise (it's much shorter Easy!) that you can read and attack:
http://www.evdl.org/pages/hartbatt.html

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

Here is another link that talks about lead acid batteries and exercise (it's much shorter Easy!) that you can read and attack:

It's not an attack, Alan, it is called a DISCUSSION.
Having a bad day are we ???

Unless it is a quote from a recognized expert in the field under discussion, everything you find on the net should be taken with a grain of salt.

Indeed, even equally respected and recognized "experts" often disagree from time to time.......kind of like the respected and recognized experts that frequent here. :biggrin:

It is really easy to tell when I "attack"......and I don't think I've done it here yet.......at least not for a LONG time. :skull:

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

Here is another link that talks about lead acid batteries and exercise (it's much shorter Easy!) that you can read and attack:
http://www.evdl.org/pages/hartbatt.html

Good article, actually.
No need to nit-pick it because it does a good job of answering the ORIGINAL QUESTION.
Good search job, Big AL. !!

[alanmcorcoran]

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

Some of the "information" in it is MUCH older than that.......including some of the mis-information !!

Like a lot of things written by "average" people, it is built around some solid information that he actually knows and then strays off into things that he is just guessing at or specualting about or even making up to embelish the story.

Whether you meant it to be funny or not, you have a tendency to dismiss everyone's point of view but your own, and often in very condescending ways. In my case, I don't make my living providing motorcyle advice and I post on the site mostly for my own entertainment, so when you go off on one of my posts, it's no big deal. My concern is that your tendency to belittle anyone that doesn't agree with you drives the more sensitive (thinner-skinned) voices off the site and, eventually, we'll be left with only your opinion. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your opinion, (in fact, I agree with some of your more irritating speechifying - like on the loud pipes for instance) but it's not constructive to call those that disagree with you names ("average") or attribute nefarious motives to them (embelishing) that you just made up.

And no, I'm not having a bad day. I just thought that you and mrmld's mutual denigration/dissection of my answer to alantf was misdirected and confusing. Neither of you cited any authority, other than your personal opinion, for refuting the author's claim of the benefits of mild exercise for lead acid batteries, and, that wasn't even the point I was trying to make. From there, you dismissed the entire article, and declared yourself to be a superior source of information, all without any facts whatsoever. Then mrlmd chimed in with refutations of things I never even said.

This is not an encouraging environment for any reasonable people that want to contribute to the site. I'm fine with differences of opinion, and I encourage you to correct me when I am wrong, but I don't see the value in endless pissing contest/dick measuring/nit picking of every post that you did not initiate.

I'm done on this one. I promise not to add any more fuel to this fire.

[David Bo]

Well done, alanmccorcoran. Well done...

[mrlmd1]

AC-- I never refuted anything you never even said (whatever the hell that means). Don't get paranoid. I was questioning the article you posted, not you. If anything, I reinforced what you said about NiCads. I could also agree with what you said about Easy, I've said it to him before, but we made up a while ago.
I didn't quote any articles, I referred to the knowledge I gleaned directly from the manufacturers of the batteries like Yasua and Exide. I would believe they would know more than whoever published either of the articles you posted. And again, I never said anything about you or your opinion. "Mild excersize" helps the battery live longer? Let's see some data from a manufacturer who recommends that rather than the personal opinion of whoever posted that article from the Ham Radio Club. Until that's seen, he's just posting his personal opinion also, and the fact that it's written on the internet doesn't make it true. Now relax a little, as long as your bike starts and your battery's good, nothing else here really matters.
And a battery discharge of 2 volts = dead, maybe 80% or more discharged, which at 10 volts is a DEEP discharge, whatever kind of battery it is.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by alanmcorcoran

Whether you meant it to be funny or not, you have a tendency to dismiss everyone's point of view but your own, and often in very condescending ways.

WTF, Alan, I mean W T F !!!! :skull:

The comments were directed at the AUTHOR of the article at the link you posted.
HE doesn't frequent here so it is unlikely that HE will give a good flying shit about anything I say.

And further more, it was a comment on the human condition in general.
Again, why are you flying off the handle defending someone YOU don't even know.
Since when is characterizing someone as "average" dismissive or condescending.

How is it that anyone else can disagree with something but the second that I do, it becomes "condescending" ???? Maybe you need to look up the definition of condescending.

Keep up the personally deragatory remarks and you will SEE an attack.....and it won't be pretty. :redflip: