Not the speed I expected.

[dentheman]

I went for my first 'freeway' ride on my Shadow 750 today, and only reached 60 mph. The bike runs great, but there was a strong cross wind both coming and going, and I do weigh around 240; so am I expecting too much for my bike to go 75-80 in those conditions? Also, I was using 5th gear (overdrive), is it bad for the engine to run at high speed in 4th gear? This bike does not have a tach, so I don't know the rpm's, but the manual states to shift from 4th to 5th at 31 mph.

[blaine]

I went for my first 'freeway' ride on my Shadow 750 today, and only reached 60 mph. The bike runs great, but there was a strong cross wind both coming and going, and I do weigh around 240; so am I expecting too much for my bike to go 75-80 in those conditions? Also, I was using 5th gear (overdrive), is it bad for the engine to run at high speed in 4th gear? This bike does not have a tach, so I don't know the rpm's, but the manual states to shift from 4th to 5th at 31 mph.
Your bike should have more power than that.It should run along at 70 to 80 effortlessly.Also not good to rev these bikes to much,as they are a v-twin.I'm guessing you still have a carb problem.I think you have a plugged main jet.
:) :cool:

[dentheman]

I was thinking as much. After I got home I added a couple ounces of Seafoam, if I don't see some improvement in the next couple weeks I will take it to the dealer for a carb cleaniing and adjustment. I don't feel I can do that job myself.

Also, when I siphoned the gas I couldn't get it all, so I am thinking it still has some bad gas in the tank from sitting at the dealer and as I continue to add new gas the performance will improve. We will see.

[blaine]

I was thinking as much. After I got home I added a couple ounces of Seafoam, if I don't see some improvement in the next couple weeks I will take it to the dealer for a carb cleaniing and adjustment. I don't feel I can do that job myself.
It would help to take it for a ride with the SeaFoam in the fuel.You need to be out on the road for the Sea Foam to work it's way through the main jet.I had forgot that you had drained it out.It may take a full tank of fuel to see full effects.I have run a 1/3 of a bottle in a tank of fuel with no ill effects.Just a much cleaner carb.
:) :cool:

[dentheman]

OK blaine, my plan for tomorrow is to gas up, add more Seafoam and head for the freeway again.

[blaine]

OK blaine, my plan for tomorrow is to gas up, add more Seafoam and head for the freeway again.
Good Luck.I think it will improve your performance. :cool: :)

[Water Warrior 2]

Sounds like the bike needs more exercise and new fuel to spruce things up. I would think it should cruise nicely at 70 and still have a bunch of oomph left over.

[jonathan180iq]

With the standard 15 tooth front sprocket, which you undoubtedly have, 80mph is within reason. It won't hold 80 all day long, but you can at least get into the 70s without effort. Make sure the chain is lubed and adjusted properly and that you've got good pressure in the tires. That stuff is more important on a bike than it is in a car.

[dentheman]

With the standard 15 tooth front sprocket, which you undoubtedly have, 80mph is within reason. It won't hold 80 all day long, but you can at least get into the 70s without effort. Make sure the chain is lubed and adjusted properly and that you've got good pressure in the tires. That stuff is more important on a bike than it is in a car.
Shaft drive. That was one of the things I wanted so I wouldn't have to mess with a chain.

[jonathan180iq]

Perhaps I should read posts fully before responding, huh? :retard:

[Water Warrior 2]

Perhaps I should read posts fully before responding, huh? :retard:
He didn't mention having a chain or shaft. In the middle 2000's Honda starting shifting their 750 line to shafts and we all had to play catch up. Lynda looked at a real sweet Honda in 2007/2008 but discarded the idea when she saw the chain and choke lever. Suzuki 1 and Honda 0.

[dentheman]

I got her up to 70 today, I don't know if it's the Seafoam working or if it was just that I had a little tailwind.

[blaine]

I got her up to 70 today, I don't know if it's the Seafoam working or if it was just that I had a little tailwind.
May be a little of both.She should cruise at 70 effortlessly,with plenty of reserve for passing.
:) :cool:

[dentheman]

I did stop by the dealership as part of today's ride and mentioned that it only went to 60 and that I had Seafoam in the tank. One of the mechanics took her from the parking lot to the service bay (to adjust suspension up a notch) and he thought she lacked power when starting out from a stop. He said to run her for a while with the Seafoam and if it doesn't improve to bring her in for a look. They couldn't do any thing as they are remodeling and all the tools are put up for now, they should be done remodeling Friday.

I noticed something that looks like a fuel filter, I will have to look again, if it is I might get that changed and see what happens.

[blaine]

I noticed something that looks like a fuel filter, I will have to look again, if it is I might get that changed and see what happens.
If you have a fuel filter that is partly plugged & slowing fuel flow,that would seriously limit your power,witch is quite possible after using the SeaFoam.Also it is that much more crud that did not get to the carb.A lot of the filters look similar to this one.


http://s16.postimage.org/kmv54spb5/0000_Visu_Filter_Large_Capacity_Fuel_Filter.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/kmv54spb5/)

:2tup: :)

[dentheman]

What I saw was all metal, like a car fuel filter. I will look again in the morning.

[jonathan180iq]

Perhaps I should read posts fully before responding, huh? :retard:
He didn't mention having a chain or shaft. In the middle 2000's Honda starting shifting their 750 line to shafts and we all had to play catch up. Lynda looked at a real sweet Honda in 2007/2008 but discarded the idea when she saw the chain and choke lever. Suzuki 1 and Honda 0.

Well, either way, I was so oblivious to what was going on that I thought we were talking about a GZ.
So design changes or not, I was still way off ;)

[Water Warrior 2]

:lol: :lol: So that's what happened to my missing senior moment. You had it.

[dentheman]

It is not a fuel filter, what I saw was the back side of the fuel selector.

[dentheman]

With the standard 15 tooth front sprocket, which you undoubtedly have, 80mph is within reason. It won't hold 80 all day long, but you can at least get into the 70s without effort. Make sure the chain is lubed and adjusted properly and that you've got good pressure in the tires. That stuff is more important on a bike than it is in a car.
Could you please explain why she won't hold 80 all day long? Or were you thinking I was talking about the GZ?

[blaine]

With the standard 15 tooth front sprocket, which you undoubtedly have, 80mph is within reason. It won't hold 80 all day long, but you can at least get into the 70s without effort. Make sure the chain is lubed and adjusted properly and that you've got good pressure in the tires. That stuff is more important on a bike than it is in a car.
Could you please explain why she won't hold 80 all day long? Or were you thinking I was talking about the GZ?
He thought you were talking about a G.Z. :lol: :2tup:

Quote:Well, either way, I was so oblivious to what was going on that I thought we were talking about a GZ.
;)

[Water Warrior 2]

With the standard 15 tooth front sprocket, which you undoubtedly have, 80mph is within reason. It won't hold 80 all day long, but you can at least get into the 70s without effort. Make sure the chain is lubed and adjusted properly and that you've got good pressure in the tires. That stuff is more important on a bike than it is in a car.
Could you please explain why she won't hold 80 all day long? Or were you thinking I was talking about the GZ?
80 MPH all day long. Hmm. The bike would probably do it but here are a couple thoughts.
That is pretty fast for a cruiser, it was never designed to be a mile muncher like a touring bike.
How is your own personal endurance compared to the bike's ability to run continuously for hours. This is a huge factor as fatigue will prove to be a major obstacle in riding comfort and safety.
Aside from those comments my next suggestion is slow down and enjoy the scenery. Are you a good enough rider to maintain higher speeds all day long without mishap? Can you tell I'm an old guy? :lol:

[5th_bike]

I went for my first 'freeway' ride on my Shadow 750 today, and only reached 60 mph. The bike runs great, but there was a strong cross wind both coming and going, and I do weigh around 240; so am I expecting too much for my bike to go 75-80 in those conditions? Also, I was using 5th gear (overdrive), is it bad for the engine to run at high speed in 4th gear? This bike does not have a tach, so I don't know the rpm's, but the manual states to shift from 4th to 5th at 31 mph.
I think you accidentally took your GZ250 for a ride. It should do 65 in 4th gear, no problem, but with a little effort and a high whine. And I think the manual says 37 mph, not 31. (we may both need new bifocals...)

[dentheman]

I went for my first 'freeway' ride on my Shadow 750 today, and only reached 60 mph. The bike runs great, but there was a strong cross wind both coming and going, and I do weigh around 240; so am I expecting too much for my bike to go 75-80 in those conditions? Also, I was using 5th gear (overdrive), is it bad for the engine to run at high speed in 4th gear? This bike does not have a tach, so I don't know the rpm's, but the manual states to shift from 4th to 5th at 31 mph.
I think you accidentally took your GZ250 for a ride. It should do 65 in 4th gear, no problem, but with a little effort and a high whine. And I think the manual says 37 mph, not 31. (we may both need new bifocals...)
I rechecked the manual: 1st to 2nd 12mph; 2nd to 3rd 19mph; 3rd to 4th 25mph; 4th to 5th 31mph. I do shift at a little higher speeds since using those speeds causes the engine to 'clatter' for a second or two. This clatter (in addition to not reaching full speed) makes me think the engine is not up to full power. Concerning long trips, the furthest I might ever go would be from Lubbock to Ruidoso, NM, a trip that takes roughly 5 hours by car (if I recall correctly). To clear up any confusion, I don't have a GZ, but did ride one when I took the course. And finally, I am an old(er) guy too!

So now the question comes to mind: What would be a good cruising speed for my Shadow 750 for such a trip that wouldn't overstress the bike? Would 65 be about right? (I realize that if I did not ride full out at 80 like a car, and took gas and rest stops, the trip would take a lot longer and I don't forsee trying it in the near future, if at all). I am just trying to learn how to best ride this bike.

[jonathan180iq]

I would just get it up to speed and then see where she settles in. Bike are a lot more communicative than cars on as far as knowing their comfortable speeds. There should be this butter spot where she'll just purr and you know it's where she needs to stay. The specific speed will change given terrain and outside temp.

I don't have much first hand knowledge of that particular bike, but the butter speed for just about every other bike tends to be somewhere between 55 and 70. You'll just have to see how she feels.

[dentheman]

I did get her up to 70, but the engine seems to hum along the best at 60, and I feel the most physically comfortable (vibration, etc) at 60.

[music man]

I definitely agree you have a serious problem with your bike, because my ole' beat up suzuki VS800 will go 70-80 without even so much as a bead of sweat.

I don't really go that fast on a regular basis, but i have had it up to 100 once, just to see what it felt like to go that fast on a bike (scary as shit for those of you that are wondering) and it felt like it had quite a bit left in the stable if I would have wanted or had the cojones to go faster.

[jonathan180iq]

Buddy of my rides an older Virago 750 which is pretty similar in most regards to the Honda, granted that yours is newer.

Do you guys have shaft lube or gear oil or anything that can be changed?
Sludge would slow you down.
The good thing about those bikes is that even at a slightly slower speed, the weight of the bike makes the whole ride nice and comfortable.

[Water Warrior 2]

I did get her up to 70, but the engine seems to hum along the best at 60, and I feel the most physically comfortable (vibration, etc) at 60.
Sounds good to me. 60 will get you there without stressing you or the bike. It's all about the ride not the destination.
As a side note. The Star 650 was purpose built with a sweet spot of 55 according to Yamaha. A big :2tup: to Yamaha.

[dentheman]

Buddy of my rides an older Virago 750 which is pretty similar in most regards to the Honda, granted that yours is newer.

Do you guys have shaft lube or gear oil or anything that can be changed?
Sludge would slow you down.
The good thing about those bikes is that even at a slightly slower speed, the weight of the bike makes the whole ride nice and comfortable.
The rear does use hypoid gear oil, but the bike only has 7,000 miles on it and the manual states the first check (to check the level) of that oil should be at 8,000 miles, so the oil should be good.

[Gz Rider]

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[Water Warrior 2]

Might be a good idea to change the gear oil in the rear end. If it is original it may have some unwanted particles in it. I changed the gear oil in Lynda's M-50 to flush out any contaminants. Used Amsoil synthetic. A liter/quart will last you a very long time as the volume of oil needed is quite small.

[dentheman]

The manual states only mileage, not time for all checks, adjustments and changes. And changing gear oil sounds like a good idea, it is next on my agenda.

I took her out on the freeway again today. Sixty mph tops at first, but again with a stiff West Texas cross-wind, but coming home without the cross-wind she did 70 WITH THROTTLE TO SPARE (this is the first time I had throttle to spare). Each time I take her out she does a little better, so I think the Seafoam is doing its job, and exrcising her also is helping. But I think the stiff winds that are so common here are a big part of the problem. I will know more when I ride her on one of our rare calm days.

The one 'rider' problem I am trying to correct now is making a little too wide a right turn at an intersection. I need to move a little more to the left in the right turn lane to get the proper apex of my turn. Learning to ride my first bike takes me back many years to when I was getting my driver's license. "Check the mirrors, use turn signals, come to a complete stop, when do I shift?" That sort of thing.

And always beware the lady talking on the phone while driving an SUV! I apologize to any ladies who read that, but I have had several close calls on my road bike (bicycle), and in every case it was a lady on the phone while driving an SUV who turned in front of me.

[JWR]

To make turns...the bike follows where you are looking..

If you are looking over the front fender, you will run wide.

[Water Warrior 2]

To make turns...the bike follows where you are looking..

If you are looking over the front fender, you will run wide.
Absolutely. Look where you want to go and your body and the bike will do the rest. Your turns will be smoother and more controlled. Just be sure to glance down at the road before the turn to check for potholes or slippery stuff. Then raise your eyes up and into the distance. Having a short field of vision will cause weaving and overcorrecting. Then you crash.

[dentheman]

Yeah, I remember that from class, but I need to position myself better so I don't have to lean further than I feel safe.

I did have to 'retest' on staying inside the lines on turns, so I know it is my weakness and requires more practice.

[Water Warrior 2]

Sounds like you need more saddle time and practice. You are probably still somewhat tense and unsure of yourself. A new to you bike is always going to need some bonding time with you to feel right. Lynda and I found the same thing with our bikes. Take your time and practice when you feel in the right state of mind and body. If you feel a little out of sorts on a particular day then don't get on the bike. Ride safe ride smart.

[dentheman]

I have ruled out the carburetor as the problem. She just runs too well for that. Now I think the throttle cable is too long. The previous owner changed the grips and even with the adjuster screwed all the way out there is too much freeplay in the throttle. So, even with the throttle open to its stop, I believe the carb's linkage isn't pulled fully. I can barely see the carb, and cannot see the linkage to adjust the cable at that end (if it can be adjusted), so I will take her into the shop when the weather warms up again. I will post again at that time.

ADDED LATER: I decided to try to get a better look at the carb. I loosened the air box to move it out of the way enough to see the carb's throttle cable connection (only needed to remove 2 bolts and loosen one screw). The throttle does move the linkage full travel, additional throttle movement is taken up by a spring, so cable length isn't a problem. Maybe the carb linkage hits an adjustable stop, but I couldn't see one, I need to get a mechanic's mirror to view the hidden areas. If nothing else, I am getting some knowledge of the inner workings of my bike.

[Gz Rider]

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[blaine]

Once again, I know nothing about your bike but I have seen a slightly dirty carb jet rob 10-15% of the top rpm's of an engine that otherwise runs fine.
:plus1: :2tup:

[dentheman]

Thanks for the info. I'm just going to ride her for the summer and see if she keeps improving. If not, into the shop at the end of summer. Unless I get really ambitious, learn how to remove the tank and carb, and how to clean the carb, get whatever tools I might need, etc. But as it stands now, I will continue to use Seafoam and ride, and see what happens. A few years ago I would have easily tackled the job, but now if I kneel I have a hard time getting up due to arthritis in my hips. Some days that even makes it a little difficult to get on/off the bike.

[alantf]

Some days that even makes it a little difficult to get on/off the bike.

I know the feeling! Somehow it's always easier to get on the bike from the right side, by swinging my left leg, than getting on from the left, and swinging my right. :cry:

[Pelagic]

Hey Guys,

Don't those things. Last month I got great results from a follow-up cancer PET scan. The bad news was when the doctor told me the shoulder pain I've been having was the Big R in my back.

Don't tell the younger guys what they have to look forward to.


ted
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[dentheman]

After my last post I thought "I'm going to get off my butt and do something". So I Googled the fuel tank removal, it comes off easily. After removing the tank and air box, I can see the carb, and there is indeed an adjustment above the cable pully to take out slack, so I took out some of the slack. Looking into the carb air intake I see that big piston thing (forgot what it is called, controls the air flow), it is coated with what appears and feels like gray graphite grease. Is this right? I was about to get some carb cleaner and clean that grease, but maybe it is supposed to be there.

[Gz Rider]

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[dentheman]

Do what you can to get a shop manual for the bike. I have found these things invaluable for cars, trucks, boats and bikes.

They can show you how simple a repair is and they can show you sometimes that what looks simple may not be what you think.
Yeah, I need to get a manual. For now I am just going to put her back together.

[blaine]

Looking into the carb air intake I see that big piston thing (forgot what it is called, controls the air flow), it is coated with what appears and feels like gray graphite grease. Is this right? I was about to get some carb cleaner and clean that grease, but maybe it is supposed to be there.
It is there to aid the slide in moving up & down freely,and is normal.
:) :2tup:

[Gz Rider]

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[dentheman]

Here is one last question: When looking at the slide and turning the throttle with the engine off, the slide soes not move. Should it move with the throttle, or does it rely on air pressure/vacuum?

[blaine]

Here is one last question: When looking at the slide and turning the throttle with the engine off, the slide soes not move. Should it move with the throttle, or does it rely on air pressure/vacuum?
It moves with vacuum when the engine is running. :cool: :2tup:

[Dupo]

My bad for missing this thread.

I run my Shadow at 65 on the highway no problem. Ran it on a 2hr ride like that and it ran fine.

If you want to get the most out of your Shadow, change the rear sprocket to a 37 or 38 tooth. You'll have to shorten the chain (very easy to do) but well worth the effort. You can wind up the gears when shifting. I usually run 3rd gear up to 45 or 50mph and 4th up to 60. Only on the highway do i get into 5th with this setup. You'll get much lower RPM and the bike wont sound like its over revving.

What year shadow do you have? I have 2 digital manuals covering up to 2007. Only difference would be the shaft drive, but everything else is the same. They havent changed much until very recently.

You should join up on some of the shadow forums as well. http://www.hondashadow.net/ is the friendly, old fart, safety conscience, agatt, help forum. http://www.shadowriders.net is the raw, uncut, rough rider, customizing, wrench your own bike, vulgar forum.

Hondashadow.net is good for maintenance, help, gear ... a lot like what we offer here.
Shadowriders.net is good for customizing, learning how to work your own bike, taking crap off your bike and making it awesome. They are rough on noobs (general hazing to make sure you can hang with the 'big boys' and dont go home crying to mommy because some guys talked nasty to you). Once you get past noob status, they are a good bunch to deal with. Good to read through their forum and get a feel for everything first. I've been a member there for a long time. You want to learn your bike, that is the place to be.

[Gz Rider]

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[JWR]

(general hazing to make sure you can hang with the 'big boys' and dont go home crying to mommy because some guys talked nasty to you).

Typical bully's excuse.

I'll stick to a site like this where people are immediately welcomed. :)





:popcorn:

[Gz Rider]

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[PimpS]

I agree, behaviour of man is many times shitty, but lately a good sentence rings in my head: What other people think of you, it's not your problem. Bad luck is when the power/knowledge is in hand of bully, instead of wiseman.

A nice youtube clip for taking care of good communication, ergo better relations ergo better life...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfq_A8nX ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfq_A8nXMsQ&feature=related)

I hope your bike goes just the rigt power and speed to enjoy it as much you want or need!

[Water Warrior 2]

WOW, did this topic take a hard left turn into another world. It is all good though. Dupo presented 2 different forums that represent 2 different styles of bike ownership. Neither one is all bad in any way. It is all about variety and the options out there for various types of folks who enjoy their bikes and like to share the results.
The bully part is just the flavor of the forum and the reader can take it of leave it. This forum is more of a family show and I do thank Dupo for keeping it that way to encourage younger/new riders to join in and be part of the family.

[Gz Rider]

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[Water Warrior 2]

I used to lurk on a lot of forums that were pretty much barroom brawls kinda things. Don't miss them one bit though. I like a more polite society which is what this forum is and always will be in my opinion. Info and personal experiences here are the meat of the forum.

[Dupo]

They just dont want whining guys on their forum who don't want to learn how to wrench their own bikes and have everything handed to them. They are a very elite bunch of bike modders who work exclusively on Shadows. They learned what they learned by doing. They are machinists, welders as well as some regular guys who chop bikes in their spare time. If its not swapping out the air box for a hypercharger, its raking the front end or hand making a new seat. They do simple to hard core mods to their bikes and dont have time for dilly dallying around with "how do i change the oil" or "what safety vest should i buy".

Bullies no, they just want to know they type of member is signing up by hazing them a little in the beginning. If you can take their giving you a little bs on your first few posts you will enter a world of knowledge from guys who have torn their bikes down to nuts and bolts and put them back together again. You will gain respect from a great bunch of guys who will bend over backwards to give you a hand working something out with your bike.

I take a little offense to calling them bullies. I am one of them, so what are you saying about me?

[Rookie Rider]

I love all of you and this forum :)

[Dupo]

Hippie

[Gz Rider]

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[PimpS]

I didn't want to make any judgements on any one i don't know. I like WaterWarriors attitude, Dupo's and Gz riders's, cause like you all said as i understood: It's your decision to participate, take, give or leave. I also stopped participating (rare lurking) on few forums, cause during the years i got what i need, i learned (for which i'm thankfull) a lot and staying away mainly because of few individuals whos attitude is cocky, aggressive and patronizing. Yes, this forum is more family like, some of you guys would really like to meet and chat, get drunk and before that take a long ride, cause i feel your a crazy and positive bunch of guys. I like and accept Dupo's attitude, cause he obviously has the will and power/knowledge to cope with that kind of attitudes. Although I respect guys who know their job perfectly, if their communication skills or social skills are weak, i feel sorry for them.
I'm getting soft now (must be a little cause in half an hour i will have my job with kids with special needs, and with them you can't/mustn't be aggressive, only loving, consistent and professional/wise and knowledgable.

Respect to you guys and take care!

PimpS

[PimpS]

Just that: rituals of iniciation is very common among the people. Some of them are aggressive, some of them strange to others, but they all have the similar test to be succesfully passed: acceptance, whether based on ''are you goodenough, man enough... to be in our company, to be one of us... A lot of space to build conflicts, fear, danger and macho type of energy. I personally think that most manly man is the one who confidently and responsibely takes the ride of his life and let others to do the same, knowing that his freedom ends where other's begins. geeeez, that coffee was good. ;)

[JWR]

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[jonathan180iq]

Hey guys,

Truck you, you rubber duckers!

Are we all good?

[JWR]

:)

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[JWR]

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[Water Warrior 2]

I also get that to some extend, the abuse is joke oriented.
Somewhat agree with that statement. We can't hear the person and only read what they type. We can't hear the tone of voice the poster would actually use. So we should try to read with a smile on our face and the humor will probably shine through.

[Gz Rider]

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[Gz Rider]

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[Water Warrior 2]

Reading and smiling doesn't work all the time but it will mellow some of the statements to a lesser degree of rudeness and bullying. I think a lot has to do with what we expect when lurking on a forum that we know does get pretty hardcore compared to this forum. There are forums that I can tolerate when the language and remarks get out of hand but there also others that are just plain vile and makes me wonder what the world is coming to. No matter what the forum is it is a gathering of like minded individuals sharing a common interest but have a different way of expressing themselves from other groups. Bullying is part of the initiation on some forums and I am very happy not to see it here.
Rather than berate some one who joins a forum it would be nice to say welcome and offer a handshake and a smile.

Can we now go back to "Not the speed I expected."

[Rookie Rider]

Yeah, lets get back to the original topic :)

[Gz Rider]

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[Dupo]

Have they? You have systematically picked out the worst you could find on shadowriders and displayed it here for all to see the 'bullies' at play. You have spent approx. 20 posts trying to flame shadowriders and its members to nothing more than a bunch of low IQ meat heads who pick on people. That's nice. Shall i reference your last several posts and make an assumption of your character based on my experience with you?

Did you miss where those guys, once you pass their 'fuck off noob' hazing, will sell you parts cheaper than you could ever find elsewhere? Where some of these guys have sent free small parts to members that were looking for something specific? Where you can get price cuts from the guys who advertise (whoa, two big banners, so much advertising) on that site? The guys who actually hand make the products are members there and will cut you a deal for being a shadowriders member and even give you free shipping. Did you miss where they offer the best technical info on shadows anywhere on the net? It is a great group of guys who want things run they way they want them run. If you cannot conform to their ways, you arent very welcomed. If you can post, use the search button, take 'fuck off' and brush it off your shoulder, you are fine. If you are going to be a thin skinned asshole who needs to make trouble or tell them how to run their house, then you can literally fuck off.

Case in point, you have a friend who has new rugs put in. They want you to take your fucking shoes off in their house. You refuse, argue and tell them they are wrong for wanting you to remove your shoes. They tell you to not come back. You then go and tell all your friends how idiotic and rude your friend is and urge them not to go there. SOUND FAMILIAR???

A simple "not for me" would have sufficed. But instead, you went out of your way to cut that website down as much as you could to show everyone how bad it is there. Almost to the point of trying to deter ANYONE from becoming a member there. Ridiculous behavior.

Patrick and myself are both members of that site. So I guess that makes us both bullies in your eyes. You so kindly put in one of your posts that since i am a member there and support them that i must be. Well, thank you for letting me know what kind of asshole i am. I appreciate it.

:fu:

[Gz Rider]

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[PimpS]

Let's just cool down and be friends, with different definitions and opinions on different things, no need to burn down bridges. TO me it's awareness of bad and good; to do good is hard, to make bad is much easier. Gz and dupo, make an effort and be cool. I'll respect any decision of yours.

[dentheman]

To get back on track: I have just ordered a shop manual for my Shadow. Also, Kudos to the dealership (Family Powersports of Lubbock,TX). I dropped by a couple days ago and explained my speed problem, they are genuinely concerned that they sold a bike that is not up to expectations. They wanted me to set up a time to bring the bike in to have it checked. I told them I wanted to run a couple tanks of Seafoam through to see if things improved, they said that is a good idea, but if it doesn't fix the problem, give them a call.

[mole2]

To get back on track: I have just ordered a shop manual for my Shadow. Also, Kudos to the dealership (Family Powersports of Lubbock,TX). I dropped by a couple days ago and explained my speed problem, they are genuinely concerned that they sold a bike that is not up to expectations. They wanted me to set up a time to bring the bike in to have it checked. I told them I wanted to run a couple tanks of Seafoam through to see if things improved, they said that is a good idea, but if it doesn't fix the problem, give them a call. They are all friendly folks.

You've got some nerve getting back on thread with all this bickering going on. LOL :hide:

Good to see the dealer stepped up to the plate. I'm sure the Seafoam will do it's job. Either way, once it's running right my recommendation is to use Stabil with every load of gas. You never know when the bike will wind up sitting for a while due to work committments, health or other reasons. Stabil will protect the fuel for up to two years and it helps to keep things clean. I use it every fill up on the bike, boat and fuel for small motors (mower, etc).


:)

[Dupo]

01-06 repair manual Honda VT750 (http://www.dupo24.com/myfiles/HondaVT750_repair_manual.pdf)


This is good for models up to 08 with the exception of the drive shaft and seat. Most everything else still the same.

[dentheman]

01-06 repair manual Honda VT750 (http://www.dupo24.com/myfiles/HondaVT750_repair_manual.pdf)


This is good for models up to 08 with the exception of the drive shaft and seat. Most everything else still the same.
For some reason my computer freezes up when I try to download that pdf.

What I have on order is a Haynes service and repair manual for 1988-2009, from Amazon.

[Dupo]

Right click, save to computer. Dont try to open it from here.

[Road_Clam]

01-06 repair manual Honda VT750 (http://www.dupo24.com/myfiles/HondaVT750_repair_manual.pdf)


This is good for models up to 08 with the exception of the drive shaft and seat. Most everything else still the same.
For some reason my computer freezes up when I try to download that pdf.

What I have on order is a Haynes service and repair manual for 1988-2009, from Amazon.

My ears are bleeding after reading the OT BS within whole thread. Lets get back to the issue. I'm really thinking your bike should pull 80 mph no problem. My '87 GSXR 750 pulls 135, granted it's a performance inline 4 but still I think 80 should be attatiable. Have you looked at the plugs ? My #1 bit of advice is always check the SIMPLE things first. Pull a plug if the plug is white, you're running lean, and maybe it could be some dirt in the fuel bowl, or you might need a slight re-jet richer. How about fuel flow ? Is there any rust in the fuel tank ? These issues could be choking off needed fuel flow. How many miles are on this bike ? Can you do a compression test ?

[dentheman]

01-06 repair manual Honda VT750 (http://www.dupo24.com/myfiles/HondaVT750_repair_manual.pdf)


This is good for models up to 08 with the exception of the drive shaft and seat. Most everything else still the same.
For some reason my computer freezes up when I try to download that pdf.

What I have on order is a Haynes service and repair manual for 1988-2009, from Amazon.

My ears are bleeding after reading the OT BS within whole thread. Lets get back to the issue. I'm really thinking your bike should pull 80 mph no problem. My '87 GSXR 750 pulls 135, granted it's a performance inline 4 but still I think 80 should be attatiable. Have you looked at the plugs ? My #1 bit of advice is always check the SIMPLE things first. Pull a plug if the plug is white, you're running lean, and maybe it could be some dirt in the fuel bowl, or you might need a slight re-jet richer. How about fuel flow ? Is there any rust in the fuel tank ? These issues could be choking off needed fuel flow. How many miles are on this bike ? Can you do a compression test ? 7000 miles. The salesman wants me to bring it in and that is what I am going to do when the weather improves. The last I rode it a few days ago was into a strong headwind and it ran between 40 and 50 mph.

[Water Warrior 2]

Try to get the salesman to eat the cost of making the bike more rideable. You don't want a big expensive surprise waiting for you. It really shouldn't have left the lot the way it is now. At 3 times the displacement the new bike should go where a GZ would fear to turn a wheel.

[dentheman]

I just rode her home from the dealer's shop and I am happy. I immediately noticed much more power when accelerating from a stop, before the fix she often stalled unless I poured on the gas while letting the clutch out slowly. I opened the throttle to see what she would do on the way home and the needle quickly went up to 90 before I let off.

The problem turned out to be 2 fouled plugs; and what I thought was oil dripping from the exhaust was unburned fuel.

I was not charged anything, and they even cleaned her up nicely!

By the way, the place was crowded with people looking at bikes, and several families looking at 4 wheelers.

[JWR]

Glad she is running right.

:2tup:

[PimpS]

Way to go! I'm glad for you dentheman!

[blaine]

Good to know.Glad it was a easy fix. :) :2tup:

[mrlmd1]

Now, why did it have 2 fouled plugs? Did they look into that or will you be back there in another 50-100 miles with the same thing? Did they adjust your carb or do anything else to the bike other than just replace 2 sparkplugs?

[dentheman]

They are trained technicians so should know what causes fouled plugs, and fixed the problem if there was one. If it happens again, I will take it back, and complain to the manager.

I suspect the plugs were fouled by improper mixture caused by a dirty carb until the Seafoam cleaned the carb, because it backfired like hell and barely ran at all when I first started it, until some Seabfoam was run through it.

[blaine]

They are trained technicians so should know what causes fouled plugs, and fixed the problem if there was one. If it happens again, I will take it back, and complain to the manager.

I suspect the plugs were fouled by poor mixture until the Seabreeze cleaned the carb, because it backfired like hell and barely ran at all until some Seabreeze was run through it.
*SeaFoam* :poke2: :)

It is common for the plugs to foul if the carbs are dirty & the combustion chambers are full of carbon.
:) :cool:

[dentheman]

Why am I thinking of Seabreeze? Aren't those dryer sheets or something like that? I will edit.

[mrlmd1]

There are basically 3 types of fouling - fuel, oil, or carbon.

FAQs - Spark Plugs

Q: What is a "fouled" spark plug?

A: A spark plug is considered fouled when the insulator nose at the firing tip becomes coated with a foreign substance such as fuel, oil or carbon. This coating makes it easier for the voltage to follow along the insulator nose, leach back down into the metal shell and ground out rather than bridging the gap and firing normally.

Many factors can contribute to spark plug fouling. The air/fuel ratio may be too rich as a result of incorrect carburetor adjustment or a poorly performing fuel injection system. Worn piston rings or valve seals may allow too much oil to leak into the combustion chamber, leading to oil fouling. The ignition system may not be performing properly. Prolonged idling or continuous low-speed driving may keep the spark plug from reaching its optimum operating temperature. Using too cold a spark plug can lead to the same problem. Finally, a dirty air cleaner can create a too-rich condition which can lead to fouling.

Fuel, oil and carbon fouling can all be the result of different causes but, once a spark plug is fouled, it will not provide adequate voltage to the firing tip and that cylinder will not fire properly. In many cases, the spark plug cannot be cleaned sufficiently to restore normal operation. Therefore, it is recommended that a plug be replaced once it is fouled.

And read this: http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/engine/plugs.html

If the carb was dirty, like with jets clogged, it wouldn't run "rich", but maybe the needle valve wasn't completely closing making it run that way, and fortunately with the engine shut off and no vacuum on the petcock, you weren't dripping gas on the garage floor and flooding the airbox too.
Hopefully the Seafoam cured your problem and it wasn't oil fouling from rings or valve seals leaking oil.
Time will tell, hope it's OK now. Add a little Berryman's or Seafoam (1 oz/gal of fuel) to the tank every three fillups and you will not have this issue again. Ride the bike more and you will avoid the problem - dirty carbs are from what's called atrophy of disuse (medical profession term).

[dentheman]

I have taken her on a couple 50+ mile rides at highway speeds (65 seems to be the speed she likes), as well as riding around the neighborhood to get more practice. So far she runs like a dream. I was surprised to find that in 5th gear doing about 50 she will accelerate nicely going up steep overpasses.

I am already looking at the new ones with fuel injection, but common sense tells me to hang on to this one, at least for a year.

[blaine]

I have taken her on a couple 50+ mile rides at highway speeds (65 seems to be the speed she likes), as well as riding around the neighborhood to get more practice. So far she runs like a dream. I was surprised to find that in 5th gear doing about 50 she will accelerate nicely going up steep overpasses.
Good to know you got it all sorted out.Enjoy!!!! :) :2tup:

[Water Warrior 2]

I am already looking at the new ones with fuel injection, but common sense tells me to hang on to this one, at least for a year.
Hang on to this one for at least a couple years. It's not old by any stretch of the imagination and will serve you well. Gain more experience and hone your skills with the bike. Bigger and/or newer is not always the best way to go. A 750 is a nice comfy size with enough power and reasonable handling to take you almost anywhere on the planet. Take your time.

[dentheman]

I am already looking at the new ones with fuel injection, but common sense tells me to hang on to this one, at least for a year.
Hang on to this one for at least a couple years. It's not old by any stretch of the imagination and will serve you well. Gain more experience and hone your skills with the bike. Bigger and/or newer is not always the best way to go. A 750 is a nice comfy size with enough power and reasonable handling to take you almost anywhere on the planet. Take your time.
You are right, and my common sense is saying the same thing, but the 2012 Shadow RS sure is inviting. I don't 'REALLY' plan on getting another motorcycle anytime soon, but I can dream, can't I?

[Water Warrior 2]

I am already looking at the new ones with fuel injection, but common sense tells me to hang on to this one, at least for a year.
Hang on to this one for at least a couple years. It's not old by any stretch of the imagination and will serve you well. Gain more experience and hone your skills with the bike. Bigger and/or newer is not always the best way to go. A 750 is a nice comfy size with enough power and reasonable handling to take you almost anywhere on the planet. Take your time.
You are right, and my common sense is saying the same thing, but the 2012 Shadow RS sure is inviting. I don't 'REALLY' plan on getting another motorcycle anytime soon, but I can dream, can't I?
Maybe try a test ride this spring if you can. I'm sure you will think a new bike is great. Then take a real hard look at the price tag. Been there done that and now I just dream of riding an older bike with no payments.

[dentheman]

WW, I saved for over a year to pay cash for the Shadow, so I know what you are saying by no payments. When or if I get a new bike, it will be after months of saving, so no payments. A year ago I adopted the philosophy that if I can't pay for it, I don't need it.

The Shadow RS caught my attention because it looks more like a 'standard' than a cruiser, but I am not thrilled by the chain drive.

[Water Warrior 2]

Chains may be a little more labor intensive when regular maintenance(lubing /adjusting) is involved but not that difficult. A shaft is sweet and clean however servicing a shaft is far more work and expense if something goes south. A belt is a proven item for a street bike and a lot quieter and cleaner than a chain. As much as I like them(never had one yet)they are not cheap to replace and regearing a belt drive bike is costly and/or impossible due to parts availability from the factory or aftermarket.
I can get a belt drive conversion for my Vstrom but the cost is an insane number of dollars. I can wear out a lot of sprockets and chains before equaling the belt drive set-up.

[Dupo]

I am not a fan of that Shadow RS. It looks too much like the 'economoy HD' 883. They even moved the pegs back (hello 1980s!). Gave it that dumb shock placement that makes it look like it got hit in the rear (same as the 883 looks to me). Love the chain drive because it makes modding so much easier on the rear end (lowering, bigger tire, wider rim to name a few). But overall, ugh, not impressed.

Glad you got your situation figured out.

[alanmcorcoran]

Glad your bike is fixed (I rode a 750 in a big circle around Illinois summer of '09 and it would do 80 easy. I weigh 175 though.)
Re the "bigger is better" or "bigger is not better" I wanted to say this: Bigger IS better for some things: Acceleration, high speed cruising (hours at 80+), Two up riding, camping gear, wind, rough road and more. Bigger IS WORSE for other things: the biggest thing it's worse for is GAS MILEAGE. I have a big old beast I love to ride, but I go to the gas station a LOT. Get a real report on the cruising range of the bike. If it's less than 250 miles, think about your riding habits and how often you want to visit Mr. Mobile. Second biggest problem is - I can't pick it up. No way, no how, no video, no technique FORGET ABOUT IT. If she goes down, I'm going to need help. If it goes down in Death Valley, I got to hope some bigger fool comes along. For that reason, I generally don't ride on less travelled roads. Third: insurance. It doesn't cost as much to insure if you have three bikes and they're all not new, but it is more costly. Fourth: Tires. Not sure if you go through them faster but they are bigger and I think more expensive. Still, even with all of these issues, I am willing to bet practically everyone on this forum would love riding my Strat. Each person has to think about what's important to them. My solution has been to have three bikes, but that has issues too.

[Water Warrior 2]

Alan, you need some good crash bars on the Strat. I dropped Lynda's bike twice during servicing etc. The bars don't allow the bike to roll over completely on it's side and it was quite easy to just roll it back up on 2 wheels.