brakes squeel

[geezer]

so when i hit the front brake i get a loud nasty squeel. i told my girlfriend she was just gonn a have to deal with it but now its bugging me too! i figured it was pads so i swapped em out and its still doing it. is this a gz thing? or can it be fixed?

[blaine]

so when i hit the front brake i get a loud nasty squeel. i told my girlfriend she was just gonn a have to deal with it but now its bugging me too! i figured it was pads so i swapped em out and its still doing it. is this a gz thing? or can it be fixed?

Some aftermarket pads are notorious for squealing because of the material they are made from.Do you have the anti-squeal shim installed between the back of the pad and the caliber?
:) :cool:

[geezer]

no, and it did this with the old pads too. so let me guess that shim doesnt come with the pads like they do with car pads? so i have to get that off suzuki?

[blaine]

no, and it did this with the old pads too. so let me guess that shim doesnt come with the pads like they do with car pads? so i have to get that off suzuki?

The shim doesn't come with the pads.Sometimes people throw them away,not realizing what they are.Also make sure the caliber can slide freely on the bolts,and not sticking.
:) :cool:

[geezer]

your always ther for me ma dude! :2tup:

[tcrave]

I'm having the same problem. The pads look like they have plenty of life left in them. Is that anti-squeal shim that you are talking about just that metal plating that is usually behind the brake pad that you usually put grease on? It wouldn't surprise me if those are gone on mine considering the people I bought it from. Nice people, but didn't seem the least bit worried about the small stuff/details. Thanks for the tip!

Also, by back brakes have just started squealing too...could it be the same problem for front and back?

[mrlmd1]

The rear brake is a drum, the front a disc. Does either brake squeal if you just roll the bike without applying the brake? Do the wheels spin freely or are the brakes grabbing a little?
I have seen both on a bike and my SO's Mazda Miata where a small pebble or stone can get stuck in under the pad and make a squealing/scraping noise. If you get it out, it stops.

[alantf]

I was watching the mechanic fit new pads on my bike last week (labour is so cheap over here that I can't be bothered getting my hands dirty :) ) I noticed that there were no anti squeal shims fitted. Thing is - I've never had squealing front brakes, so I wonder if some geezers don't need 'em? :??:

[blaine]

I'm having the same problem. The pads look like they have plenty of life left in them. Is that anti-squeal shim that you are talking about just that metal plating that is usually behind the brake pad that you usually put grease on?
Yes, that is the plate I'm talking about.A lot of the time,they get discarded,and you don't get new ones with new pads.Your rear brakes squealing is a totally different thing,because they are drum brakes.Some people never have a problem with pads squealing,depending on the brand of pads,and the surface of the brake rotor.
:) :cool:

[Water Warrior 2]

Very hard brake lining and pads will be more apt to squeal and not stop as well. Softer material generally works better with more rapid wear. Some of the aftermarket stuff is longer wearing and still returns better braking.
Sqealing(in my experience)is caused mostly by the brake material getting glazed. What I have done in the past is to remove the brake shoe and brake pads and give them a very light sand blasting. A little emery cloth to clean up the rear brake drum itself does fine. Never used emery cloth on front discs but I don't think it would hurt them. Someday I will try it.

[geezer]

glad this post is still alive. and yes i did look and i still have the rattle clip on the bike. i had a feeling that wasnt going to be the problem so next time i get a chance im going to clean off the rotor. ususally what i do is get some green scotchbrite scrubers and spray brake clean on the rotor while scrubing them. my normal reason for doing this is to help seat in new pads. what do you all think?

[Water Warrior 2]

Sounds like a plan. You can also help seat the pads with some hard breaking to warm them up a bit. Do that in a safe area and repeat a few times. Do not just ride the brakes gently on the road as that will promote glazing.

[blaine]

glad this post is still alive. and yes i did look and i still have the rattle clip on the bike. i had a feeling that wasnt going to be the problem so next time i get a chance im going to clean off the rotor. ususally what i do is get some green scotchbrite scrubers and spray brake clean on the rotor while scrubing them. my normal reason for doing this is to help seat in new pads. what do you all think?
Good idea.Keeps the rotor from getting glazed. :) :2tup:

[geezer]

hard brakeing to keep from glazing? wow i always thought it was the other way around and you wanted to baby brakes till they sat! not hat i dont belive you but can others chime in?

[Water Warrior 2]

hard brakeing to keep from glazing? wow i always thought it was the other way around and you wanted to baby brakes till they sat! not hat i dont belive you but can others chime in?
This is just to seat them. If you decided to ride the brakes gently while going down the road to seat them you would promote glazing. Seat the brakes and then ride normally.

[Water Warrior 2]

hard brakeing to keep from glazing? wow i always thought it was the other way around and you wanted to baby brakes till they sat! not hat i dont belive you but can others chime in?
This is just to seat them. If you decided to ride the brakes gently while going down the road to seat them you would promote glazing. Seat the brakes and then ride normally.

Oh yeah. A few hard breaking sessions in a safe area will tend to burn off any deposits on the brake parts and increase their effectiveness. It may sound dumb but that is my experience but feel free to ignore me, I won't have a fit or become sullen and snippy.

[geezer]

haha no water dont get the wrong idea, yeah i remember now your right :2tup: i used my trick tongith so tomorow when i take my weekend blast (slow blast) to the mountain ill see if i fixed it. i gave the gz a full lube n tune tonight too :rawk:

[geezer]

after scrubing off the rotor brakes stoped squeeling, yaya. but there back at it after only a few mins. i know if i tapered the pads i could probably get it to go way but i aint doin all that. looks like i get to live with sounding like a bus coming to a stop.

[Water Warrior 2]

Who needs a horn when you can have loud brakes. :lol:

[geezer]

exactly! but i hate the attention it realy does make people stare!

[Cooteboy]

From my experience working in garages/shops/napa - brake squeal is a metal on metal vibration. The quick vibration of metal against metal creates a "chatter" of sorts in the form of a squeal. Run down to your nearest auto parts store get a tube of "brake quiet" - the sort of glue type one (Napa's comes in an clear glue-like bottle with orange goo in it). If you apply that between the "anti-rattle" plate and the back of the pad itself - that should eliminate the chatter/squeal. You'll of course want to apply a bit of brake silicone between the "anti-rattle" plate and the caliper itself also

Hope that helps!

Sort of on a funny note - just got my bike running, and now I need the exact same thing. My pads are GONE! Almost to bare metal - figures.

[Water Warrior 2]

Sort of on a funny note - just got my bike running, and now I need the exact same thing. My pads are GONE! Almost to bare metal - figures.
Quality time with bike will keep you out of trouble. :2tup: :2tup:

[geezer]

excellent advice :rawk: now ill let you all know how that does

[geezer]

i used some anti rattle cream and for now the noise is gone! no more school bus breaks! hopefully this will last. i also found a rock in there too :??: could have been the problem, oh and haha i now know for a fact there is no rattle plate on the bike lol sorry i know i change my story to much. also lubed the slide pins they needed it. cool its amazing how quite my bike is now. let off the throttle hit the brakes and silent nothingness......

[Water Warrior 2]

Another success story on the GZ forum.

[mrlmd1]

It was that little stone, like I said way higher up. :cool:
You could also try WD40 (not) to get rid of the squeak. :poke2:

[tcrave]

my brakes are still squealing like crazy. I took the caliper off and it looks like the brakes still have life left in them and the shim behind them. However that is as much as I had time to do. i'll have to try some of these tricks in the near future. I agree, the squealing is embarrassing. Actually, right now I am having a few other problems that take precedent over the brakes, so this project may have to be put on the back burner for now. I might try the grease thing cause its cheap and easy, but if that doesn't work, I'm going to have to solve a few other problems before tackling this one again.

Ugh, I like working on the bike, but damn these things are time consuming. I really thought that buying a newer, smaller bike would mean less work, but I was wrong, all of these things seems to take a lot of time. I mean yea, I could probably still ride if for a long time without doing anything to it, but I like keeping my stuff in as nice condition as possible so it will last as long as possible.

This also tempts me to sell my bike and just buy brand new once I secure full time employment.

[geezer]

It was that little stone, like I said way higher up. :cool:
You could also try WD40 (not) to get rid of the squeak. :poke2:
wanna award? i know you did :lol: jk

tcrave get in there and try all that stuff i did. might work for you. i still get a slight squeel once in awhile but its fine

[mrlmd1]

"wanna award? i know you did :lol: jk "

No, no, not at all. I only put that in because sometimes it's little annoying things like that that can drive you nuts and they are so simple to find but you don't think of them. Like your bike won't start in the spring because there's a mouse nest stuck up inside the exhaust.
But if you want to send me an award for getting the right answer to your question, I won't refuse, that would be improper, and it would be a nice thing for you to do. (hint,hint). :poke2: :)

[geezer]

here is your cyber cookie :redflip:

[mrlmd1]

Now that wasn't very nice, not exactly what I had in mind. But, whatever.

[GZBrian]

I too had the squeak problem. What worked for me was to replace the pads with EBC part number FA106R pad set. They are the softer material and I cleaned the rotor good, lubed the slider caliber rods, blew everything out real good, and installed the pads. I had another type of 106 pad set but it was different material and you could hear me coming (squeaking) for some time. It dorve me crazy. I have used the FA106R for about 4,000 miles and the pads are still good and QUIET. You will be amazed at the squeak being gone with these pads. I know I was. The cost was about $34.00. Hopes this helps my fellow brake squeakers out there. It helped me. GZBrian

[geezer]

thanks for that info man, the brakes are starting to squeek again so i need to re aply that lube but when i get ready to do pads again ill get those for sure and see for myself