Side reflectors

[Ted324]

I was wondering if anyone knows if you have to keep the side reflectors on the bike (the two that come stock next to the horn and right below the passenger seat)? I really don't like the way they look but i do not want to be pulled over for not having them. I live in Texas if that helps anyone answer this question.

[dentheman]

They are required on all motor vehicles to be street legal. If a sharp-eyed inspector sees them missing, you will not pass state inspection.

[Ted324]

=( that is a bummer. I guess i could take them off until inspection time.

[blaine]

I was wondering if anyone knows if you have to keep the side reflectors on the bike (the two that come stock next to the horn and right below the passenger seat)? I really don't like the way they look
I didn't like the front ones either,so I removed them and installed Harley style ones on the forks.I moved the rear ones up on the side of the fender.They are pictured in my avatar.
:) :2tup:

[Water Warrior 2]

Reflectors are not required in all parts of the world but they should be. Not for decoration but for your health and welfare. It may go against the grain for some folks but a more easily seen bike is a safety factor day or night.

[jonathan180iq]

You need something there.
If you hate the current location, then relocate.

Or, you could always swap in some trucker lights. That way you're visibile and cool.

[mole2]

Reflectors are not required in all parts of the world but they should be. Not for decoration but for your health and welfare. It may go against the grain for some folks but a more easily seen bike is a safety factor day or night.

+1

I have to agree here. Anything that MAY get you seen at night is a plus. I put reflective tape in red and white on the back of my helmet. Those reflectors may work just once and save your life and you won't even know it.


:)

[alantf]

I put reflective tape in red and white on the back of my helmet.

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[dentheman]

=( that is a bummer. I guess i could take them off until inspection time.there is still some chance an officer will notice if the reflectors are removed and issue a citation.

[Water Warrior 2]

=( that is a bummer. I guess i could take them off until inspection time.
Just keep in mind removing the reflectors could be the deciding factor of guilt if some one T-bones you and cripples you for life. It's all about the amount of risk you are willing to accept, same as helmet vs no helmet.

[Ted324]

this is very true. I think i've decided i'll just leave them on, even tho i still think they look bad

[Water Warrior 2]

A little 3M tape on the front forks, handguards and other assorted surfaces can be very noticeable. Sometimes it is fun making a spectacle of yourself.

[Rookie Rider]

I just recently got some reflective red and white stips from work. The ones that go on trucks. Im gonna put some on the inside panels of my car doors too. Really bright stuff.

[lenkf]

Cars, bicycles, and motorcycles ALL have to have federal and state mandated reflectors and lights if driven "on the street". The rear of a "vehicle" requires red reflectors, the sides require yellow or white reflectors (allowing white reflective stripes on bicycle tires), the front requires white reflectors and white lights on "street vehicles". Bicyclists are allowed to use red flashing lights on the rear, as long as there is ALSO a red "rear reflector" in CA, but motor vehicles cannot have blinking red rear lights except for turn signal lights. It takes a ton of research to determine all the details of state and federal laws, and having been an avid bicyclist and motorcyclist for years, I've done that where I live. If you think your state "doesn't care" about moto mods, wait and see! That conundrum of details is for US law for our friends across the pond. If you're missing any Federal or State reflector requirements, and you have an accident, sorry dude you go down no matter "what is cool" in your neighborhood for your style of moto manufactured after 1976! Hey, Jessie James and Orange County Choppers customs are not legal on the road, have been sued by state governments, and lost for big bucks. If you ride a 2 wheeler on the road, simple way to save money and have binding insurance, keep it legal according to your state and fed laws :) Oh yah, that includes mods to intake and exhaust on motos manufactured after 1976 or so for US "legal street motos'" :)

Where the rest of the world can get away with old school ICE transportation technology, the US is trying to clean things up and keep it safer compared to the old world. US insurance companies pay attention to that.

[Water Warrior 2]

Both the U.S. and Canada have some darn good laws for making things safe but I have one question. Why didn't the U.S. make Daytime Running Lights mandatory in 1990 like Canada did? Anything manufactured after Jan 1/1990 had to have them. I made my own in 1988 for $10 worth of parts.

[greatmaul]

Both the U.S. and Canada have some darn good laws for making things safe but I have one question. Why didn't the U.S. make Daytime Running Lights mandatory in 1990 like Canada did? Anything manufactured after Jan 1/1990 had to have them. I made my own in 1988 for $10 worth of parts.

There's actually quite a bit of info on that on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime_running_lamp

to quote: Shortly after Canada mandated DRLs, General Motors, interested in reducing the build variations of cars for the North American market, petitioned the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in 1990 to permit (but not require) US vehicles to be equipped with DRLs like those in Canada. NHTSA objected on grounds of the potential for high-intensity DRLs to create problems with glare and turn signal masking, and issued a proposed rule in 1991 that specified a maximum intensity of 2,600 cd. Industry and safety-watchdog reacted with great controversy to the proposed rule, and eventually the glare objections were set aside and most of the same types of DRLs allowed in Canada were permitted but not required effective with the 1995 model year.

It all seems to boil down to money. Car makers, even in Canada, didn't want to spend money to make separate DRL's running at 1500 candelas max, as the EU states had mandated, so they petitioned to use regular headlights at a max of 7000 candelas.

The US sort of followed suit, but safety officials argued that 7000 candelas were too bright, but this again ran into the money issue. No one wanted to make separate DRLs because of cost.

These days, it's more about fuel economy, and they argue that headlight based DRLs are wasteful, and LED DRL's are becoming more fashionable. This is cool, in my opinion, because widespread use will boost LED technology advances and lower the prices overall.

now the NHTSA says: (2009)
(…)the agency remains neutral with respect to a policy regarding the inclusion of DRLs in vehicles (…) we do not find data that provides a definitive safety benefit that justifies Federal regulation (…) manufacturers should continue to make individual decisions regarding DRLs in their vehicles

[greatmaul]

Oh, but I'm wondering: if someone removes or covers their reflectors, but then puts the 3M reflective tape on, is that good enough? I know most of the 3M stuff is DOT approved. I've got red and white all over the bike.

[Water Warrior 2]

Both the U.S. and Canada have some darn good laws for making things safe but I have one question. Why didn't the U.S. make Daytime Running Lights mandatory in 1990 like Canada did? Anything manufactured after Jan 1/1990 had to have them. I made my own in 1988 for $10 worth of parts.

now the NHTSA says: (2009)
(…)the agency remains neutral with respect to a policy regarding the inclusion of DRLs in vehicles (…) we do not find data that provides a definitive safety benefit that justifies Federal regulation (…) manufacturers should continue to make individual decisions regarding DRLs in their vehicles
2 words: Horse Pucky.

[Water Warrior 2]

Oh, but I'm wondering: if someone removes or covers their reflectors, but then puts the 3M reflective tape on, is that good enough? I know most of the 3M stuff is DOT approved. I've got red and white all over the bike.
3M DOT approved tape seems to be more reflective than most OEM reflectors. I some how doubt a LEO would get overly excited about tape vs. plastic.
As for an actual inspection it might be wise to pop the plastic on for a short time.

[greatmaul]

now the NHTSA says: (2009)
(…)the agency remains neutral with respect to a policy regarding the inclusion of DRLs in vehicles (…) we do not find data that provides a definitive safety benefit that justifies Federal regulation (…) manufacturers should continue to make individual decisions regarding DRLs in their vehicles2 words: Horse Pucky.

Yeah, it sounds to me like the NHTSA is in the pocket of the auto industry. Everything's like that around here. It's not what's right or wrong, it's what's right for whoever pays you that's important.