Shoulda kept the GZ.....sigh

[Easy Rider]

Yo, Alan C. good buddy.......

When you're done with those "big bike" training wheels, could I borrow them for a while ??? :cry:

[BusyWeb]

I wonder where the Mr. Alan is too?
Hello, there....
Um, he might be busy with his new bike's kind forum????
New mission, find Mr. Alan..................>>>>>

[JWR]

Did you get some of that Road Rash??

[burkbuilds]

You didn't drop that 07 Shadow did you Easy? If so, I hope you are not seriously hurt and neither is the Shadow, sweet bike!

[Moedad]

Say it ain't so, Easy!

[adrianinflorida]

You alright?

[Easy Rider]

You alright?

NO!

I'm severly PISSED at how stupid I was. :cry:

0 mph drop. Only casualty=1 tail light lens.

I still can drop a bike garcefully so I guess that is good news.
(OK, make that safely; it really wasn't all that graceful!)
And I can pick it up by myself.
Oh, and there was NOBODY around to see it! :tup:

Two lessons to be learned:
1) Never say never
AND
2) The GZ is a great little bike but it is TOO forgiving. It lulled me into some bad habits. What I did on the Shadow wouldn't have even been noticed as a mistake on the GZ.

I had stopped to back into a parking space. Had the wheel turned hard left; pushed back a bit and noticed my right foot was a little out of position; squeezed the front brake......flop, over she went. The real mistake was starting to back up while being just a TINY bit out of balance. I've done it a hundred times on the GZ and it was no problem; just "throw" the little beast around wherever you need it. Add 100 lbs. and different geometry and you can't be that sloppy anymore.

I knew all that from previous bikes but the GZ just made it all too easy. Rude awakening.

[burkbuilds]

Glad you are okay, and the bike only suffered a minor injury! I'll take what you are saying to heart since I just changed over to the Kawasaki Vulcan 500 and it's about the same difference in weight that you experienced with the Shadow.

[mrlmd1]

You said in another post "A Shadow will lay over on it's right side, continue to run and sustain no damage.....other than a broken turn signal lens.

(Wonder how I know THAT!!!) ", but here you "Had the wheel turned hard left;" and squeezed the brake. Which side did the bike fall over on? Wouldn't it fall over to the left side just as if it was going forward? :??:
Glad you had no damage scraping the tank or bending shift/brake linkages, mirrors, etc., :) and you didn't get hurt, the only casualty is a little plastic lens and your pride. :cry:

The best part was that no one was there to see you do that. :poke2:

[Easy Rider]

"Had the wheel turned hard left;" and squeezed the brake. Which side did the bike fall over on? Wouldn't it fall over to the left side just as if it was going forward? :??:

The best part was that no one was there to see you do that. :poke2:

No, with the front wheel turned to the left and the bike going backwards, the mass is moving toward the RIGHT; applying the brake (at .001 mph) stopped the wheel from turning but didn't stop the mass of the bike and rider from continuing to go RIGHT......because I had let it lean slightly that way to begin with and then was positioned wrong to deal with it.

I should never have started the manuver knowing that something just didn't feel quite right.

In that situation, I agree that no witnesses was the best thing. :tup:

If you fall down and get hurt, you get sympathy.
If you fall down and DON'T get hurt, you get ridicule !! :cry:

[Easy Rider]

Glad you are okay, and the bike only suffered a minor injury! I'll take what you are saying to heart since I just changed over to the Kawasaki Vulcan 500 and it's about the same difference in weight that you experienced with the Shadow.

I guess the lesson is something like: You can ride the GZ most of the time without really even thinking about the mechanics of controlling the bike. It's fun that way. With a bigger bike, you need to pay a little closer attention to the details, especially with very slow manuvers.

Having come "down" from bigger bikes in the past, I am more comfortable with the handling of the Shadow. It seemed that I always had a tendency to over-steer the little machine. Have you noticed that it takes just a tiny bit more effort (maybe a more conscious effort) to get the the Vulcan to turn ??

[burkbuilds]

At this point I've put less than 40 miles on it,(just got it last night about 7) and I haven't really been out on any really "twisty" roads much yet, but I did notice that the turning radius in my driveway was a LOT larger than the GZ.

Well, from my perspective, Easy, I appreciate you sharing this with us. Really a warning to us relative newbies to not let your guard down. If it can happen to a guy with your knowledge and 40 years of riding experience, it can happen to us in a heartbeat (not that what happened was that big of a deal, but now imagine letting your guard down on a fast turn or at an intersection . . .).

I read somewhere that the two "cohorts" most likely to get in an accident are brand new riders (makes sense), but even more "relatively" brand new riders (2 - 3 years riding experience) because they overestimate their skills. Yours is a cautionary tale to us all to keep alert, always.

Keith

[alanmcorcoran]

I think it's just part of the learning curve. I'm up to ~3000 miles on the Strat and I haven't had any more "incidents", although I wouldn't say I am out of the woods. I have been very careful to stay off the front brakes when the bike is leaned over and in slow (parking lot) turns. It just takes time to adjust to the heavier weight and what you can get away with and what you can't. Part of my problem I think was riding the GZ during the week and the Strat on the weekends. It made it harder to dial into the handling characteristics of the bigger bike.

I'm riding the big bike almost exclusively now and, as soon as gas prices go back up, I will probably sell the GZ. I might hang on to it as a training bike for friends and, possibly, family, but it's not good for it to be sitting in the garage waiting for the occasional "maintenance" ride.

Glad you didn't break anything other than a taillight. You'll get over it in pretty short order.

[Easy Rider]

I have been very careful to stay off the front brakes when the bike is leaned over and in slow (parking lot) turns.

Glad you didn't break anything other than a taillight. You'll get over it in pretty short order.

Oh, so NOW you tell me about the front brake ??? :neener: :biggrin:

I'm over the drop already; rode it home and felt fine.

Now, the beating I'm getting here.......that is quite another matter. :cry:

[mrlmd1]

The beating is not for dropping or letting the bike lay down and break a piece of replaceable plastic. The beating is for telling them. Why did you do that? :poke2:

[Easy Rider]

The beating is not for dropping or letting the bike lay down and break a piece of replaceable plastic. The beating is for telling them. Why did you do that? :poke2:

In retrospect, it does look like a mistake, doesn't it. :cry:

No good deed goes unpunished, I guess.

[Moedad]

Now, the beating I'm getting here.......that is quite another matter. :cry:

Beating? What beating? This is nothing. I think you're projecting. :poke2:

[Water Warrior 2]

Easy, maybe getting the drop over and done with is a good thing. Now you can concentrate on riding. :rawk:

[patrick_777]

Now, the beating I'm getting here.......that is quite another matter.

:poorbaby: :jo:

Easy, maybe getting the drop over and done with is a good thing. Now you can concentrate on riding. :rawk:

I nominate WW as the GZ250BIKE.COM forum diplomat. Seems like you always have something positive to say, WW. Never met a Canadian I haven't liked (and living here in Michigan, I've met a lot of Canadians!)

Keith

[Easy Rider]

:poorbaby: :jo:

OK, Patrick, you're right.
I'm done whimpering.
Screw you all !! :neener: :biggrin:

[patrick_777]

You know you deserve it. :redflip:

[dannylightning]

you only lost a lens, be thankful cus it could have been much worse and you could have been too care free with the bike in a different situation and got hurt.

i almost got hit today. well not really i saw it coming and slowed down before the lady that was not paying any attention pulled out. this may have been stupid but i got close enough so that she knew she has almost hit me when she did start to pull out. she did see me when she was about half way into my lane and slammed on the braks, it looked like she was pissed and im pretty sure she was cussing me out from in side her car. so i gave her one of these :redflip: and one of these :pissed: drove past her and turned the corner.


:biggun: :crash:

[adrianinflorida]

A guy I work with just bought a Harley Sportster 883R with stainless Supertrapps, etc. a week after he got it, some woman turned out in front of him he laid it down to avoid broadsiding her, busted his leg, wrist and did about 3,000 in damage to the bike (Mostly the cost of replacing those Supertrapps and the headers).

[dannylightning]

A guy I work with just bought a Harley Sportster 883R with stainless Supertrapps, etc. a week after he got it, some woman turned out in front of him he laid it down to avoid broadsiding her, busted his leg, wrist and did about 3,000 in damage to the bike (Mostly the cost of replacing those Supertrapps and the headers).


that really sux, i hope the lady stopped. people need to pay attention to what they are doing.

[adrianinflorida]

A guy I work with just bought a Harley Sportster 883R with stainless Supertrapps, etc. a week after he got it, some woman turned out in front of him he laid it down to avoid broadsiding her, busted his leg, wrist and did about 3,000 in damage to the bike (Mostly the cost of replacing those Supertrapps and the headers).


that really sux, i hope the lady stopped. people need to pay attention to what they are doing.Yep, she stopped, & got the ticket for failure to yeild. Of cousr her first statement to him (As he was laying on the ground) was "I didn't see you, you should be more careful" :roll:

[Water Warrior 2]

Sounds like the H-D rider was assumimg people can see him. Headlight on or not, people on the roads are not programed to see anyhting smaller than a car. Ride like you are invisible. Both our bikes have extra running lights, headlight modulators and we still have the odd idiot try to take us out. My new helmet is Pearl White which should also help a bit but that is no reason to be asleep behind the bars.

[dannylightning]

true, i know it is hard to see bikes at times. but there is a difference between the person that just dosent see you and the person paying no mind to what the hell they are doing. like the lady that almost hit me, she was talking on her phone who never even looked in direction i was coming from until she already started to pull out...

she was looking down at her phone, put it up to her ear, looked to her left, pulled out and than looked to her right.

[Water Warrior 2]

Well done. You were looking for yourself and for her because she was too busy multitasking. As many riders will say "Ride like you are invisible". If don't already do it, use your hi-beam during the day because the GZ is a pretty small visual target to home in on. A single headlight gives other drivers a poor depth perception but at least they might notice you.

[spuriousgrowth]

Well done. You were looking for yourself and for her because she was too busy multitasking. As many riders will say "Ride like you are invisible". If don't already do it, use your hi-beam during the day because the GZ is a pretty small visual target to home in on. A single headlight gives other drivers a poor depth perception but at least they might notice you.

My wife has commuted for about two years on a Vino 125 through some busy streets in downtown Oakland and Berkeley. Some people, what ever they're on, feel like they have to go around her because she is on a 'little' scooter regardless of speed. She also makes a smaller target than the GZ, and so people are constantly not seeing her. What I've picked up from her experience is that basically, watch everyone pulling out, changing lanes and generally asserting themselves in her comfort zone and hit the horn if they look like they're thinking about doing something stupid. There are some real dill holes out there who get a wounded pride at being beeped at by a small woman on a scooter, but that's what lane splitting and the CVT transmission are for (taking off from stoplights).

One of these days I'm going to replace the stock horn with one that has a little bit more bite.

[Easy Rider]

the CVT transmission are for (taking off from stoplights).


Them little suckers are FAST.......0-20 or so !! :biggrin:
I got smoked by a girl on one while going through Nashville on my GZ trip last summer......TWICE.
I thought the first time was just a fluke. :shocked:

[alantf]

use your hi-beam during the day

Sorry, I just can't agree with you on that point! Everytime I've come across someone riding/driving on high beam, I've had to turn my head away so they don't blind me. All this means is that I am then not watching what they're doing. It's also the same when someone comes up behind me with high beam. It shines straight in my mirrors & makes it uncomfortable for me to drive. All high beam does for me is piss me off. If the idiots can't see low beam, they sure as hell can't see high beam either. :??: O_o

[patrick_777]

All this means is that I am then not watching what they're doing.
That's not all it means. It also means YOU SAW THEM and acknowledged their presence, which is the whole point.

The high beam is much more visible than the low in every circumstance.

All bikes should use it ALL the time.

[alantf]

All bikes should use it ALL the time.

Still don't agree with you. O.k., I've seen them, but then when I have to turn away because they're blinding me, that's when I'm not watching what they're doing!

Also, if it pisses me off, & I ride bikes, What's it going to do to the car drivers? You'll probably say that it doesn't matter, because they've seen you, but I reckon that a pissed off driver (& there are plenty of pissed off rednecks on your roads) is more likely to do something stupid- "gee officer, that idiot on the motorcycle blinded me, so I just couldn't avoid hitting him"- Like I already said, if they cant see low beam then they're not likely to see high beam & recognize it as anything more than "some sort of bright light in the middle of the road". I think that it is more a thing about them being so empty headed as to just not register ANYTHING around them, as to a brighter light making them realise that there are ANY other vehicles on the road.

[alantf]

I've just thought about something else regarding high beam - I don't know what the laws are in America (or over here in Spain either!) but in England there are pretty strict laws as to when you can use high beam, fog lights etc. (including rear fog lights) so as not to blind people or cause a nuisance. Seems like the law makers must be on pretty much the same wavelength as me :roll:

[Easy Rider]

All bikes should use it ALL the time.

This might be a first.......let's see if I can't arbitrate this a bit:

High beam is slightly more visible on a day with bright sunlight (or mostly bright) and, with your eyes already conditioned for the bright light, there should be no reason for it to "blind you".
HOWEVER.........
Under circumstances of LOW light, including times when headlights are required by law, high beams are not a good idea, partly because of what Alan said and also because it would be illegal.
(Guess he said that too!)

:popcorn:

[adrianinflorida]

I've just thought about something else regarding high beam - I don't know what the laws are in America (or over here in Spain either!) but in England there are pretty strict laws as to when you can use high beam, fog lights etc. (including rear fog lights) so as not to blind people or cause a nuisance. Seems like the law makers must be on pretty much the same wavelength as me :roll:
Rear fogs are one of those things that should be on cars here in the states, I'll never understand our DOT. My SAAB has one, of course it was delivered without the bulb in place to keep the DOT happy. I use it whenever it's raining, foggy or we're having brush fires and the smoke starts up, makes a big difference in making my car visibile to cars coming up from behind. I think, only Volvo, SAAB and Jaguars have them even in place on US models. Mini actually removes them and puts a blanking plate in place. :roll:

[Easy Rider]

Rear fogs are one of those things that should be on cars here in the states, I'll never understand our DOT.

I've got no problem with that......as long as the bulbs or lenses are amber and not white.

There is a very good reason for not allowing white lights on the back of a moving vehicle.
Imagine driving in a dense fog and seeing white lights suddenly appear in YOUR lane in front of you. Are those rear fogs or oncoming headlights ??? Quick, you only have a split second to decide! :skull:

[Water Warrior 2]

As my memory tells me, Volvo used a red fog light on the rear eons ago. A rear white fog light would be asking for trouble.

[Water Warrior 2]

use your hi-beam during the day

Sorry, I just can't agree with you on that point! Everytime I've come across someone riding/driving on high beam, I've had to turn my head away so they don't blind me. All this means is that I am then not watching what they're doing. It's also the same when someone comes up behind me with high beam. It shines straight in my mirrors & makes it uncomfortable for me to drive. All high beam does for me is piss me off. If the idiots can't see low beam, they sure as hell can't see high beam either. :??: O_o

It appears that we will just have to agree to disagree on this particular idea.

[alantf]

hey easy,when I say "rear fog lights", I don't mean white fog lights (like on the front of the car) These are an extra red light at the rear (usually, one each side) that have a 21w bulb (as opposed to the normal 7w rear light) & are meant to be used when visibility is low, such as in fog or falling snow, to make the vehicle more visible from the rear. They're fitted as standard in England & Spain. I didn't know they weren't used in America.Most other countries seem to think that they add to road safety.

[dannylightning]

Well done. You were looking for yourself and for her because she was too busy multitasking. As many riders will say "Ride like you are invisible". If don't already do it, use your hi-beam during the day because the GZ is a pretty small visual target to home in on. A single headlight gives other drivers a poor depth perception but at least they might notice you.

My wife has commuted for about two years on a Vino 125 through some busy streets in downtown Oakland and Berkeley. Some people, what ever they're on, feel like they have to go around her because she is on a 'little' scooter regardless of speed. She also makes a smaller target than the GZ, and so people are constantly not seeing her. What I've picked up from her experience is that basically, watch everyone pulling out, changing lanes and generally asserting themselves in her comfort zone and hit the horn if they look like they're thinking about doing something stupid. There are some real dill holes out there who get a wounded pride at being beeped at by a small woman on a scooter, but that's what lane splitting and the CVT transmission are for (taking off from stoplights).

One of these days I'm going to replace the stock horn with one that has a little bit more bite.

im not sure how you would hook up the air compressor but you need a train horn on that thing, that would do the job for sure and it would be cool

[dannylightning]

use your hi-beam during the day

Sorry, I just can't agree with you on that point! Everytime I've come across someone riding/driving on high beam, I've had to turn my head away so they don't blind me. All this means is that I am then not watching what they're doing. It's also the same when someone comes up behind me with high beam. It shines straight in my mirrors & makes it uncomfortable for me to drive. All high beam does for me is piss me off. If the idiots can't see low beam, they sure as hell can't see high beam either. :??: O_o


if a high beam blinds you in the day time i think something may be wrong with your eyes!

[5th_bike]

hey easy,when I say "rear fog lights", I don't mean white fog lights (like on the front of the car) These are an extra red light at the rear (usually, one each side) that have a 21w bulb (as opposed to the normal 7w rear light) & are meant to be used when visibility is low, such as in fog or falling snow, to make the vehicle more visible from the rear. They're fitted as standard in England & Spain. I didn't know they weren't used in America.Most other countries seem to think that they add to road safety.

Americans are so not used to rear fog lights. If they use them (they only come on some European cars) they often forget about them and leave them on for days after they're needed. They also switch them on when they're not needed, like when it just rains, or it's a little hazy and the visibility is a quarter mile. And do you think those Americans will ever understand a little high beam flash in their rear view mirror, which in Europe either means "move over" (on the left lane of a multi-lane highway) or "your fog light is on" (anywhere else) ?... (hint: the answer to this question has two letters).

[Water Warrior 2]

Well done. You were looking for yourself and for her because she was too busy multitasking. As many riders will say "Ride like you are invisible". If don't already do it, use your hi-beam during the day because the GZ is a pretty small visual target to home in on. A single headlight gives other drivers a poor depth perception but at least they might notice you.

My wife has commuted for about two years on a Vino 125 through some busy streets in downtown Oakland and Berkeley. Some people, what ever they're on, feel like they have to go around her because she is on a 'little' scooter regardless of speed. She also makes a smaller target than the GZ, and so people are constantly not seeing her. What I've picked up from her experience is that basically, watch everyone pulling out, changing lanes and generally asserting themselves in her comfort zone and hit the horn if they look like they're thinking about doing something stupid. There are some real dill holes out there who get a wounded pride at being beeped at by a small woman on a scooter, but that's what lane splitting and the CVT transmission are for (taking off from stoplights).

One of these days I'm going to replace the stock horn with one that has a little bit more bite.

Just add a Stebel air horn. They work well and are not out of this world price wise. Just go to California Sport Touring.Inc and take a look. Both our bikes have an air horn. 139 db loud.

[adrianinflorida]

The rear fogs on my SAAB are in the innermost tail light lens on either side of the license plate). They always default to 'off' whenever you start the car, so they can only be left on as long as the car is running. They are in between the intensity of a tail light and brake light. They're also good to turn on/off real quick when someone is tailgating you, without having to brake check the idiot.

[Easy Rider]

Just add a Stebel air horn.

I think you might be in danger of blowing the main fuse on a Vino 125 with a Stebel !! :shocked:

They do draw a fair amount of current.

[Easy Rider]

They're also good to turn on/off real quick when someone is tailgating you, without having to brake check the idiot.

The 4-way flashers work good for that too.

[Water Warrior 2]

[quote="Water Warrior":1oqhzr5x]Just add a Stebel air horn.

I think you might be in danger of blowing the main fuse on a Vino 125 with a Stebel !! :shocked:

They do draw a fair amount of current.[/quote:1oqhzr5x]

Give it it's own fuse and power up with a relay.

[Easy Rider]

Give it it's own fuse and power up with a relay.

OK, sometimes subtle just doesn't register......... :roll:

The Stebel draws a LOT of power, something like 12 amps/ 150 watts, IIRC.
On a TINY little scooter, that might smoke the battery AND the alternator.
Is SOUNDS like a funny idea but might turn out to be anything BUT funny. :cry:

[Water Warrior 2]

There is only one way to find out. Any volunteers out there with scooters.

[dannylightning]

Just add a Stebel air horn. They work well and are not out of this world price wise. Just go to California Sport Touring.Inc and take a look. Both our bikes have an air horn. 139 db loud.

to hell with blowing up the battery what about blowing out your ears, 130 db is about as loud as a jet taking off. i don't know if any of you have ever stood by a jet engine but i do every day. when they taxi in with the engine at low power the noise is excessive. if you are really close to it like the guys that guide in the jet you are required to have earplugs and earmuffs. at take off speed (130+ db.) the noise is way more than excessive.

[mrlmd1]

The noise from the horn is mostly directed forward, it's on briefly for second or two, and is meant as a warning to alert others around you who may not be aware of where you are. The standard horn on the bike is almost useless to be heard by someone in a car or truck with the windows shut, the AC and radio on or on a cell phone. It's a safety device and IMHO well worth it, and plan to get one. It's cheap insurance.

[Easy Rider]

The standard horn on the bike is almost useless to be heard by someone in a car or truck with the windows shut, the AC and radio on or on a cell phone. It's a safety device and IMHO well worth it, and plan to get one. It's cheap insurance.

NOT wanting to start a fight and even not really disagreeing with you, necessarily, but isn't this interesting. A person who is RABID about helmet wearing to protect your head now seems to have kind of a blind spot when it comes to protecting your HEARING. :shocked: :biggrin:

There ARE other alternatives that are louder than stock but not loud enough to shake the fillings out of your teeth !! You may be right that judicious use won't do any permanent damage but with a ~40% loss in one ear already, I don't think I would want to chance it.

[mrlmd1]

"A person who is RABID about helmet wearing to protect your head now seems to have kind of a blind spot when it comes to protecting your HEARING. :shocked: :biggrin:"

This is one of those sentences discussing 2 things that are unrelated and attributing something to me I never stated or implied. The two statements do not have any relationship linking them together - there is no connection between wearing a helmet and a blind spot to protecting hearing. If anything, if you're on the bike with the helmet on, face shield in place, and the horn blast is directed forward, you are not getting anywhere near 139db directed at your own ears. There is considerable muffling of sound with a good fitting helmet, and even if it did give you you a painful or temporarily injurious blast, IMHO that's better than getting hit or run over by a car by someone not aware of your presence. So wearing a helmet can actually protect your ears from the blast of the horn, I don't really care a crap about the ears of anyone in the car who's about to hit me, and I seriously doubt they also get anywhere near 139db. That sound is measured standing right in front of the horn, not far away, not through a car window, not sitting on the bike in back of it with the helmet on.
So if you were to get one of those horns, then you'd be better off with the helmet on too, right?
And if they were deemed by any "authority" to be too loud or causing injury, would they be legal? It's OK for a truck to have one, but not a car or motorcycle? It's a friggin' safety device, just like the helmet.

And if it did bother your ears for the second or two of the blast, I'd take that any day rather than broken bones or worse, or a wrecked bike.

You want to continue this, add something? I'm not wanting to start again either but here we can go again. :whistle:

[patrick_777]

:yawn:

[mrlmd1]

:haha2: :yes: :tup: :curse:

[Easy Rider]

You want to continue this, add something? I'm not wanting to start again either but here we can go again. :whistle:

Not just no but HELL no.
I should have known better.
My bad.

I could say......nope, won't do it.
Then there is.....nope, won't do that either.

Choke, choke......gasp.....damn this is HARD !!! :skull:

[patrick_777]

:itsokay: I knew you wouldn't have the balls... :twisted:

[burkbuilds]

As entertaining as it sometimes gets to watch you guys duke it out, I think I'd prefer to watch the fights on ESPN not here. Good to see you can all walk away from this without it escalating. Personally, I think Mrlmd1 and Easy Rider both have some really good things to say on these forums and I like their kinda "edgy" personalities and I really don't want to see them get banned or anything cause I'd like them to be around to hand out more good advice from their experiences riding and working on bikes. I'm not saying that they shouldn't argue a point, that I like! They both bring different perspectives to issues and it's good to see those sides presented, even when they get a "little" edgy, just not to the point it got to a while back where they quit talking much about the issues and started just bashing each other. Well, I'm probably gonna catch some bashing from somebody just for writing this, but I wanted to put my two cents worth in, so If I get bashed I guess I can take it.

[Water Warrior 2]

The Stebel air horn is loud no doubt about it. Wearing a helmet and hearing protection softens the "Blow" quite a bit. Cagers are too well insulated and need a real wake up sometimes. The Stebel will also change the direction of a bear cub trying to cross the road. Good thing too, cause if I'd hit him and gone down Mama Bear would get even for hurting her baby.

[Water Warrior 2]

:itsokay: I knew you wouldn't have the balls... :twisted:

Hey now ! We all have our opinions and speak out. Easy and I have agreed to disagree many times without coming to blows or bloodshed. Insults are just a bit unnecessary here, we are not children we are adults with big toys and proud of them.

[patrick_777]

[quote="patrick_777":1ejqgvof]:itsokay: I knew you wouldn't have the balls... :twisted:

Hey now ! We all have our opinions and speak out. Easy and I have agreed to disagree many times without coming to blows or bloodshed. Insults are just a bit unnecessary here, we are not children we are adults with big toys and proud of them.[/quote:1ejqgvof]


If you paid any attention at all, you'd know it wasn't an insult, and wasn't possibly taken that way by Easy.

[Water Warrior 2]

I was paying attention and read something I wouldn't have the balls to put into print. Sounded just a little too crude for a family show. Maybe we should just chalk this one up to the generation gap rearing it's ugly head.

[patrick_777]

This is a "family show"? Since when is a motorcycle forum on the Internet a "family" anything? Have you seen the Internet lately? Is there anything family-friendly left on here?

Do we need a rating on the bottom? I ask because that can be arranged pretty quickly.

Before this gets out of hand, I apologize for the "balls" remark.

[Water Warrior 2]

This is a "family show"? Since when is a motorcycle forum on the Internet a "family" anything? Have you seen the Internet lately? Is there anything family-friendly left on here?

Do we need a rating on the bottom? I ask because that can be arranged pretty quickly.

Before this gets out of hand, I apologize for the "balls" remark.

Apology accepted and a handshake included..............Internet and Family Friendly does sound like Military Intelligence but I find this great little forum one of the most friendly and polite. I would not have any fear if kids were reading here.

[dannylightning]

[quote="patrick_777":2t1okhu1]This is a "family show"? Since when is a motorcycle forum on the Internet a "family" anything? Have you seen the Internet lately? Is there anything family-friendly left on here?

Do we need a rating on the bottom? I ask because that can be arranged pretty quickly.

Before this gets out of hand, I apologize for the "balls" remark.

Apology accepted and a handshake included..............Internet and Family Friendly does sound like Military Intelligence but I find this great little forum one of the most friendly and polite. I would not have any fear if kids were reading here.[/quote:2t1okhu1]

kids have dirty filthy mouths by the age of 8 these days, by the age or 12 or 13 there doing things kids that age should never do.. it's too late to protect the kiddy's.. they learn all the bad and nasty stuff at school from their friends and this site is like the pope compared to most of the disgusting crap on the net that is only a push of a button away.

[Easy Rider]

Before this gets out of hand, I apologize for the "balls" remark.

We have an "understanding". Others apparently don't understand. Their loss.

Kiss, kiss !! :neener:

[patrick_777]

I only apologized to WW. You still don't have the balls.