2003 Blue Ohio

[Evil Sibhod]

03' Blue, 5XXX miles, only 2 small 'scratches' on the front fender, about an inch long. She has 2 Boulevard side-mount Saddle Bags, windshield, and new battery. I'm asking 2500, but if I don't get any offers until like mid April I can go lower, as I'm upgrading to my brothers Yamaha V-Star Classic, but it's all the way up in Milwaukee, and I'm in Bellbrook Ohio. My mom has a "toy-hauler" which I haven't seen personally, but it's like an RV with a separate compartment thing with a ramp made to haul your Motorcycles or ATV's ect... so maybe if you're on the way from Bellbrook Ohio to Indianapolis or Milwaukee we can work something out.
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[Easy Rider]

She has 2 Boulevard side-mount Saddle Bags, fairing, and new battery.

Good looking bike.....for being 6 years old! :tup:

Hope you aren't advertising it "with fairing" because that would be misleading; that is a windshield. :roll:

And the windshield should be tilted back just a bit at the top. Standing up like that, it will catch a LOT of wind......and possibly make the front end feel unstable.

Hope you get the price you're asking. Seems a tad high to me but then you have some room to negotiate!!

[Evil Sibhod]

Thanks :)
who said anything about a fairing?....
After a google search I've decided a fairing would be like... something that has a windshield built into it with new lights and it covers your hands?

Yeah I'm super willing to negotiate, as I really want to get her sold soon because I've been doing monthly payments to my brother, but I would like to send him a nice big chunk of change to get it all paid off

[Easy Rider]

who said anything about a fairing?....
After a google search I've decided a fairing would be like... something that has a windshield built into it with new lights and it covers your hands?


Yes, at minimum, that would be called a half fairing. Lights are optional and depend on the design.
A full would also extend downward a bit and deflect some wind off your legs too.

And you can't fool us; the system tags your post with the date and time it was edited !!! :biggrin:

[Evil Sibhod]

ahh thats cool.

And uhh that edit was to fix a typo.. I forgot to caps something.. yeah.

Well Since I've had one person say that $2500 was pretty high, I'll negotiate with any offers I get.

[mr. softie]

The $2500 is in the ballpark, I wouldn't let it go too cheap. With fuel prices sure to go up there are going to be a lot of folks looking for 70+mpg. I'd say it is worth $2000 anyway, if all the mechanicals, tires etc. are good.

[alantf]

With fuel prices sure to go up

o.k. ......... What've you heard that I've missed? I must have had my head buried in the sand!

[Easy Rider]

With fuel prices sure to go up

o.k. ......... What've you heard that I've missed? I must have had my head buried in the sand!

Yes, maybe. :biggrin:

I think his reference is to a general trend rather than any specific prediction.
World demand is still rising.....long term trend....and refining capacity is not.
Many economists predict inflation after/if the "recession" is over.
Worst case is that we have inflation BEFORE the economy picks up again.

I don't think anybody, in their right mind, thinks fuel prices will go down.....and stay there for very long.

[Evil Sibhod]

Does a 16-T front sprocket mod increase value at all? or just appeal to the masses

[adrianinflorida]

not really, it can be a feature (increased bottom end) but it's not an expensive upgrade, as sprockets are wear items anyway.

[patrick_777]

Honestly, if you're looking to INCREASE selling value, keep it bone stock. Any aftermarket mods generally decrease value significantly on these bikes which is sometimes not the case with the larger, more expensive bikes. This is from a selling mindset - if you want more money for the bike, sell the AM parts in a box beside it.

[Easy Rider]

Honestly, if you're looking to INCREASE selling value, keep it bone stock.

Very true. I don't think I would go to the trouble of changing back the front sprocket, though. I certainly would tell the new owner about it, and offer the 15T with the sale but I can't see that affecting the sale or the price one way or the other.

[patrick_777]

The aftermarket sprocket is the only thing I would even think about leaving on during a sale.

[mr. softie]

I had modded my GZ seat for comfort and made a rear rack from the rear seat, but changed it all back to stock before I sold it. I agree an all stock GZ is more desirable for most buyers looking for a GZ. I did leave the 16 tooth on it though, and included the 15 tooth. I really liked the GZ a lot more with the 16 tooth.

[Easy Rider]

The aftermarket sprocket is the only thing I would even think about leaving on during a sale.

Thought about that a little overnight. I think for the "average" rider, leaving "standard" accessories ON the bike might make it sell better, although maybe not for a (much) higher price.

Unless you are trying to squeeze every possible penny out of the sale, I think things like windshield, sissy bar/rack, bags & brackets and engine guard are not worth the trouble of removing.

Anything falling in the category of mods (non-standard) probably should be put back to stock if you can.

Having a few standard accessories already on the bike has always been a plus when I am looking for a bike.

[Sarris]

I usually leave the bling. It's normally road worn & won't fetch much used.

Hey, if my old used bling enhances the sale price, or makes my GZ more attractive than your identical GZ, then it was a good investment.

:)

[adrianinflorida]

I usually leave the bling. It's normally road worn & won't fetch much used.

Hey, if my old used bling enhances the sale price, or makes my GZ more attractive than your identical GZ, then it was a good investment.

:)
Yep. And the GZ isn't exactly like some of the Harleys, etc, with alot of high dollar mods out there. Once you get past the sissybar, windshield and/or bags, there's not much more. The majority of the GZ buyers are looking for a first bike or economical bike and not thinking about the upgrade potential of the GZ. The few custom pieces we have available, will help sell a well maintained, accesorized GZ quicker than a not so well or bare stock GZ.

[Evil Sibhod]

For desperation sake, I'll say $2100 which is the KBB value for the bike. The whole deal still includes the bike in excellent condition, wind shield, 2 saddle bags, and 2 helmets though.

[mrlmd1]

Never buy or trust a used helmet. To the uninitiated it may sound like a good prize to get with the bike but it shouldn't be trusted and it probably has somebody else's crud inside.

[Easy Rider]

Never buy or trust a used helmet.

While that might be good advice in general.........NEVER is a LONG time.
And suggesting that a specific individual who you do NOT know might be selling/giving away helmets that are ........tainted, is at the very least RUDE.

If you just couldn't resist the urge to convey that opinion, it could have been done in a private message. :poke2:

[Evil Sibhod]

Haha thanks for sticking up for me Easy, but honestly I got the 2 helmets when I bought the bike used, and never wore them, right away I went out and bought my own. Though to counter mrlmd1's points, you can wash most all helmets now because they have removable innards, and most hospitals will do free MRI's (I think MRI is the machine) to check your helmet for fractures and what not.

[mrlmd1]

I doubt a hospital will do a free MRI on anything, and it would be better to do a CT scan, (you'd probably get a much better set of images) and I doubt that would be free either. Where did you hear that?
Easy - let's not start again. That could have been a PM too.
The helmet has to fit properly too, and a free one may actually be useless is it's not the right fit.
And why did Evil go out right away and buy a new helmet if he got 2 for free?

[Easy Rider]

Easy - let's not start again. That could have been a PM too.
The helmet has to fit properly too, and a free one may actually be useless is it's not the right fit.
And why did Evil go out right away and buy a new helmet if he got 2 for free?

SIGH! Let's talk about bedside manner and common courtesy.

Talking about proper fit and poetntial hidden damage is all well and good.
Suggesting that they might be infested with cooties goes over the line, IMHO.......when you are actually talking to the person who is offering them up.

It is not so much what you said but HOW you said it.........and I am somewhat of an "expert" in making mistakes like that. :cool:

[mrlmd1]

You want to talk about bedside manner and common courtesy? Here's a real good example of bedside manner and common courtesy from one of the Admins in a different thread:

"Sounds like you got what you signed up for then.

Good luck on your travels."

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I don't think I came anywhere close to this bedside manner and common courtesy regardless of how YOU took it.
I have nothing else to say here about HOW you think I said what, or what you thought my intention or meaning was, so I'm dropping this conversation, I have nothing more to say here and I think my comment was fine and the point was made without the degree of reaction you had. I don't think anyone else was particularly offended by HOW I said it as you were.
So now, here we can go again, but have a good time 'cause I quit this now.
And crud can consist of dried up sweat, skin, bacteria, and not all helmets can be cleaned. You want to wear someone else's helmet, nothing personal, have a nice time.

[Easy Rider]

I don't think I came anywhere close to this bedside manner and common courtesy regardless of how YOU took it.


OK, I guess that pretty well sums it up: You don't care what other people thing about your messages. I get it. I had hoped for better, however.

:facepalm:

[mrlmd1]

I don't think I came anywhere close to this bedside manner and common courtesy regardless of how YOU took it.


OK, I guess that pretty well sums it up: You don't care what other people thing about your messages. I get it. I had hoped for better, however.

:facepalm:

I honestly have no idea what planet you came from, how you reach those conclusions other than twisting whatever you want in your mind. And I'm not the only one on here that thinks that sometimes you're pushing it, that you're over the edge. Some others have expressed the same view, and I bet there are others who don't bother to come forward with their opinions. I say what I think, what I feel, like you do. I impart any knowledge I think I have, and offer my opinion, which I am entitled to. I care what I say because I know others are going to read it, and that reflects on me and the value of what I say - but I just don't particularly care for what YOU think when you make comments like that out of the blue, accusing other people of doing exactly what you are doing. Bedside manner and common courtesy? Ha! You may have some (maybe more than most on here) mechanical knowledge, but very little expertise in dealing with interpersonal relations. You think you are always right, no matter what you feel like saying. You have the ability, and think the authority, to freely criticize anyone who doesn't share your opinion or says something in a way YOU perceive to be offensive to someone else, and then criticize and try to impose your "morality" on them. You have assumed the role of the Proper Bedside Manner and Common Courtesy Policeman on here, saving all others from what YOU think insults them. But you don't have to obey the rules you propose - typical.
Like the government mandating helmets, you mandate your own morality without checking if anyone else is offended, but it doesn't apply to you.
Grow up, take a look in the mirror. Like you keep repeating, it's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it. In your case. sometimes you shouldn't say anything at all. :jo: :curse:
And "never buy or trust a used helmet" is the consensus of just about every bike site on the web - if you need them, I can find you references but I suppose you could criticize them too some how.

[David Bo]

From the GZ250 ETIQUETTE & PROTOCOL:

Avoid Trolling.
A troll is someone who posts topics on message boards with the sole purpose of instigating argument or debate. It is definitely an etiquette no-no and will earn you the disrespect of everyone on the forum. It is usually easy to identify a troll after they've been on the
boards a few weeks, and you could easily wind up with a suspended or banned account.

[JWR]

Will the real Troll please stand up.

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[mrlmd1]

DB - I agree with you. But is it instigating a debate to say "Never buy or trust a used helmet" or to say:
"While that might be good advice in general.........NEVER is a LONG time.
And suggesting that a specific individual who you do NOT know might be selling/giving away helmets that are ........tainted, is at the very least RUDE.
If you just couldn't resist the urge to convey that opinion, it could have been done in a private message. :poke2:"

If you don't agree with what I said, or you can't withhold a comment, why don't you then post "IMHO, there are some few times where buying a used helmet might be appropriate and OK" and then explain yourself, instead of going off and telling the original poster that he has no etiquette or manners or common sense, etc. because he may be insulting someone else he doesn't know and his tainted cooties? That's the kind of crap on here that has to stop - practice what you preach, don't be so quick to criticize or just have to post something no matter what it adds to the discussion.
And IMHO, the only helmet I would buy used is one that is still in the box, was worn maybe once or twice, had absolutely no visible marks anywhere on it, and fit perfectly. Otherwise, you want it, you can have it. :bang:
This is not only beating a dead horse, the discussion is falling on deaf ears.

[JWR]

That's the kind of crap on here that has to stop - practice what you preach, don't be so quick to criticize or just have to post something no matter what it adds to the discussion.
Where do you get that from and where do you fit in?.

[Easy Rider]

And IMHO, the only helmet I would buy used is one that is still in the box, was worn maybe once or twice, had absolutely no visible marks anywhere on it, and fit perfectly.


Well gee, that's not NEVER now is it ??


This is not only beating a dead horse, the discussion is falling on deaf ears.

Yes, that is becoming increasingly obvious.

I was ready to offer a sincere appology but you make it REALLY difficult........so I will just STFU.

[Evil Sibhod]

Yes dude, not ALL helmets can be cleaned, but that is why I said that most helmets now come with removable innards. As for the _____ Scan, like I said before, I don't know if MRI was the proper term, I'm not sure what would work best for this purpose, no argument there, but my source for the scan was the Motorcycle Ohio class instructors that I had last summer when I first started riding. They said that lots of hospitals would do free scans on helmets after crashes (and I don't mean because they're scanning the person in the helmet to make sure it's safe to remove) to see if it is still usable, though it should be replaced anyways. They may have just been speaking from experience where they did get it for free, and as for myself, my step mom is a nurse so I could probably get one too, but that's beside the point. Finally, I went right out and bought a helmet when I got 2 free ones because of one point stated previously that one of them was too small, and I didn't like the other because it was super round and looked really goofy. By the way, if I were to sell my helmet with the other 2 you don't have to worry about my dead skin and sweat or whatever else you fear, I wear a hat under my helmet. Sounds weird, but I turn it around and the bill sticks out of the bottom, and it actually makes it more comfortable.

[patrick_777]

I love this thread....

:popcorn:

[mrlmd1]

Well Patrick, it's not over yet---Here's some more.

I wrote that "the only helmet I would buy used is one that is still in the box, was worn maybe once or twice, had absolutely no visible marks anywhere on it, and fit perfectly", and ER just had to respond and prove a point :

"Well gee, that's not NEVER now is it ?? "

Yeah - basically it is. ER, you know that will not happen. You want to pick on every single word someone writes on here? Never heard of a figure of speech? Or do you just have to pick and say something?

Then ER wrote:

"I was ready to offer a sincere appology but you make it REALLY difficult........so I will just STFU."

That's a big bunch of BS too. I ? am making it difficult for YOU to offer a sincere apology? That's right, blame me because you can't admit you're wrong or out of line and don't really want to offer anybody an apology. That's good, a good post. You did suggest it, so why DON'T you STFU before you write something else stupid.

And to Evil and everyone else on here - let's take a poll, have a vote. How many of us would buy, purposely, a used helmet to use, not just something that came along with the bike, instead of going out and buying a new one? I would not, and just about every bike site and safety organization, and helmet review site does not recommend used helmets. For example, here's one article from a site explaining how to evaluate a used bike, with this section at the end. And in this article there is no discussion about crud, cooties, skin, other "stuff" that may or may not be able to be cleaned out.

HELMETS

* Used helmets are worthless. Regardless of whether it fits you or not, do not count the price of a used helmet as part of the value of the bike. The owner may want to sell the helmet, either because it matches the bike or because (s)he is quitting motorcycling, but since you'll be throwing the helmet out (or, at absolute worst, keeping it as a pillion helmet), don't count its value towards the sale price of the bike.
* Used helmets are worthless because you cannot tell if they are damaged or not, and in many cases you don't know when they were made. (Snell-certified helmets should have a date-of-manufacture stamp -- look for one. It might be under the padded lining.) Even if they look good, used helmets might well be junk. Motorcycle helmets work by allowing a layer of expanded polystyrene (EPS) to crush, absorbing much of the force of an impact. Unless the hard outer shell is damaged, you cannot tell if the EPS inside is compressed or not. And even then, sometimes you can't -- covering damage with stickers is just as common with helmets as it is with plastic fairings.
* Furthermore, EPS becomes more brittle as it ages, and old/brittle EPS has only a small fraction of the original impact absorption abilities. And since you may not know when the helmet was made (who cares when the previous owner bought the thing), you don't know how "fresh" the EPS is. The EPS layer in helmets is also highly vulnerable to ultraviolet and chemical damage -- if, for example, the helmet's owner was in the habit of resting the helmet on the bike's gas tank, gas vapors from the fill cap have attacked and compromised the EPS lining. Or if the helmet was left out in the sun a lot, it could also be damaged from the ultraviolet component of sunlight. Arai (a leading helmet manufacturer) cites acidic sweat as a leading cause of premature EPS degradation. The EPS can also be compressed if the helmet is habitually rested on pointy objects like mirror-stalks or handlebars. The bottom line is, despite what the owner says, you do not know what condition the EPS liner is in, and the EPS liner is the vast majority of the helmet's crash protection.
* It's not worth the risk. Yes, in some cases, you can send the helmet back to the manufacturer to have it X-rayed. But that will only tell you if the EPS liner has been compressed, not if it has been chemically damaged. Since you'll never know for sure, buy yourself a good quality new helmet from a good quality manufacturer, and stay away from used helmets.
* And if you're still thinking of using a used helmet, realize that helmet fit is one of the most important criteria in selecting a helmet, and it's highly unlikely that a used helmet will fit you as well as one you get from a shop, where you actually get to try different sizes and brands. (Shapes vary subtly by manufacturer; some manufacturers' helmets will fit you better than others.) And if that isn't enough, helmets tend to break in as the padded liner conforms to the unique shape of the wearer's head. You have a different-shaped head than the seller. Get your head its very own new helmet.

So, can we set up a vote or poll and see if anyone would really use someone else's old helmet?
Now I'll rest my case.

[patrick_777]

See thread:

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2318 (http://www.gz250bike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2318)

Stop hijacking.

[mrlmd1]

Yassah boss man, Anything you say.
We won't gravitate and evolve from selling a bike with accessories including a helmet to say the helmet coming with the bike not being worth it.
Where it went or digressed from there was inappropriate, but not the helmet discussion, unless there is another thread about accessories or selling/buying advice that we could start.
So yassah, we'll stop highhjacking and resume the contest elsewhere as you wish.
So where will you put up the voting/polling on used helmets? I'd like to see that.

[Easy Rider]

Well Patrick, it's not over yet---

Yes, it is. Rant on if you like; you are just making yourself look silly.

[patrick_777]

So where will you put up the voting/polling on used helmets? I'd like to see that.

There's a Safety forum, and you have the ability to start new threads and polls.

Do it yourself. I'm not your bitch.

[mrlmd1]

ER - I made a point and documented it and supported it with the opinion/article I posted, but In your mind that's a rant, making me look silly. Go right ahead, keep up the highjacking, keep up the criticism, keep up the debate and insults, keep it going. I thought you said you were going to STFU.
Patrick, either move this or start assigning points, and thanks so much for that information.

[patrick_777]

Again. You can reference particular posts on the board directly yourself (click the plus by the post title).

Please stop telling me what to do.

I'm not your bitch.

[mrlmd1]

Oh, excuse me. Must be something in the air, getting pretty testy in here. I mistakenly thought the Admins were everyone's bitch on here, trying to help us all out. My mistake, it's everyone fend for themselves, so sorry, never again will I tell you what to do.
You too can't say in any kind or pleasant instructional way, that if I wanted to initiate a poll I could do it in the Safety forum, ' cause maybe I wasn't aware of that or how it was done?

Like ER's great admonition - it's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it. Bedside manner, common courtesy, what a crock of shit on here, from the top down. What the hell is going on on this site? Am I the only one that sees or feels it, or the only one to say anything?
If that's the way you feel Patrick, the way you want to address the members, then have a nice day and refer to your own picture you sent to a newbie.

[patrick_777]

I thought I said it in a very distinct and pleasantly instructional way actually.

There's a Safety forum, and you have the ability to start new threads and polls.

See, nothing bad there.

[Easy Rider]

Please stop telling me what to do.


Maybe you should take a POLL!?!?! :roll: :crackup :smoke:

[patrick_777]

That is an awesome idea...

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2321 (http://www.gz250bike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2321)

[mrlmd1]

I just don't understand where all this hostility is coming from, and it's not particularly directed at me, and I'm not alone in sensing it. It's the way you guys talk. And then you have to try and explain yourself, make up an excuse for what you said. I guess a "real biker' has to assert his authority in some way, and the end result is to alienate and chase away newbies and other members who don't share your philosophy and manner of speech.
And "stop telling me what to do" and "I'm not your bitch" I suppose is also pleasantly instructional, or did you leave that out by mistake?
You're an Admin here, so you must be right.
By the way, I didn't see your name up on the poll.
And now I break the rules (your rules) again and can tell you what you told me, stop highjacking the thread, unless this doesn't apply to you guys.

[patrick_777]

So add it into the comments. That's the forum for it. Not this.

I left those out because I like to pick and choose my words to turn things into my own views. I'm the Fox News of the board.

I...understand...this hostility...is directed at me...I'm not...a "real biker"...in...the end.

...you must be right.

Thanks for that honest and intelligently stated self-revelation. I appreciate the candidness.

[mrlmd1]

That's exactly what you guys do, pick and chose the words you want to be seen, take it out of context. Or is that your excuse for sarcasm?
You are the ultimate Admin.
Congratulations on running the family first, most brotherly, and most congenial GZ250 site on the web. But you still don't get it.

[patrick_777]

But you still don't get it.

Apparently, neither do you!

:itsokay:

[mrlmd1]

Then explain it to me.

Sorry. I'm telling you what to do again.

[Evil Sibhod]

ahh stay out of my thread! I'm trying to sell a bike here, you know do some honest business and you are all tainting it!

however to contradict my previous statement, the question at hand was not whether or not someone would buy a brand new helmet rather than buy one used along with a bike, therefore mrlmd's poll as to whether or not someone would buy a Used helmet over a New one is irrelevant. I would buy a new helmet over a Used one, any day, however that is not how I advertised my bike, or at least intended to, you may have perceived it differently. The helmets and windshield and saddle bags are extras, after price additions, whatever you want to call them.

[mrlmd1]

You are absolutely right, sorry this got to where it went. Shit happens.
I'm outa here.