Riding for fun and adventure...

[alanmcorcoran]

I'm curious to hear from other intermediate/novice riders that have moved past the newb stage and have tried, either successfully or unsuccessfully, moderate regional trips (say 400-1000 miles round trip.) I know Busyweb and Chris have undertaken a few and I think Sarris did one on vacation (and I suspect many others). What I'm interested in is:

1) How much of the "romance" of the open road holds up? Is the ride still fun when it's 4 - 5 hours or more?
2) Is there a point (distance? hours?) where a "tourer" is preferred over a "cruiser"?
3) Assuming price was not an issue, would you prefer to ride a loaded Tourer (a la Gold Wing) or a tourer/cruiser (like the Strat, or I assume, the Street Glide)?

I'm doing a lot of reading and a little testing of various bikes but there are so many motorcycles to choose from and with only 3000 miles of experience, I'm not sure what I want. If the GZ could go comfortably go about 10 miles an hour faster and had a sturdier seat, I might just stick with it, but it's just too underpowered and undersuspended for long trips. I plan on doing some test rides and test tours to see if I really even want to go that route, but I'd also like to hear from those of you that have gone before.

[Easy Rider]

1) How much of the "romance" of the open road holds up? Is the ride still fun when it's 4 - 5 hours or more?
2) Is there a point (distance? hours?) where a "tourer" is preferred over a "cruiser"?


Been riding for about 40 years but took my first really long road trip last year.
Based on that:

There ain't no "romance" on the super-slab. There ain't much romance crossing the Great Plains either but, aside from that, I found the ride stayed "fun" as long as I was comfortable (read that: until the pain in my ass became unbearable!). This was on "rural" US routes.

So, I've said it before but bears repeating: Don't make a damn bit of difference whether you call it a cruiser, tourer, sport bike or standard; what you need is a bike that fits you comfortably and has the features you want without having to do a lot of "mods".

Your present rental "project" is a great way to go.

I would just caution you not to fall in love with the EXACT model of the first bike you ride that feels really good. Kinda like not marrying the first girl you ...mmmmm.....kiss. :biggrin:
Because other similar models will .....kiss.....about the same and may be a better value for other reasons. :whistle:

P.S. Now that I have the ass problem mostly solved, I plan to do more road trips on the GZ next year.

[patrick_777]

Because other similar models will .....kiss.....about the same and may be a better value for other reasons. :whistle:

And others will just cost you a shitload of money up front, and then lose you a shitload more in maintenance costs.

[Water Warrior 2]

Alan, if all you want is 10 more MPH and a better seat then you don't need a really large bike. There are a fair number of 750-1000 cc bikes that will fill the bill. Sadly many of them have a generic seat that needs to be replaced with a custom job but the rest of the bike is more than adequate. Start haunting a few dealerships to see what is offered with/without bags, windshields, floorboards and other assorted toys. Take a look at the Suzuki "50" series of bikes. Fi 800 V-twin with a drive shaft. Kawi makes a 900 that has nice features too.

[Easy Rider]

Alan, if all you want is 10 more MPH and a better seat then you don't need a really large bike.

Like I've been sayin'...............
Although I do drool at the sight of an ST-1300!!
And I think Alan is the perfect yuppie-type for a BMW! :poked: :cool:

[patrick_777]

And I think Alan is the perfect yuppie-type for a BMW! :poked: :cool:

HA! From my mind to your keyboard!

:pimpdaddy:

[Moedad]

I'm watching for a used sport touring type bike, along the lines of a Suzuki V-Strom 650 to a Bandit 1200S or something in between. I'm not hung up on Suzuki, those are just some bikes I've read good things about for what I have in mind. I would like to try the GZ on some multiday runs though.

[alanmcorcoran]

For the record, yuppie = young upwardly mobile professional or young urban professional.

I'm not young, upwardly mobile (pretty much on top at this point [and heading down], thank you very much), urban (more suburban) or professional (total amateur in every way.) My preferred derogatory term with which I refer to myself is "douchebag." Others agree.

Howevah: The chick in Resident Evil, whom I am modelling my life after, DOES ride a BMW. Ergo, I shall investigate. Anybody know where I can get those thigh holsters for my .45's? Also, what kind of cruising range does the BMW have? There always seems to be some sort of zombie trouble when one stops for gas.

[alanmcorcoran]

Also, in all seriousness, I do appreciate the recommendations. I thought it might help if I listed things I DON'T really want:

1) The low-throated rumble of the (insert some V-Twin like engine here.) I'm not interested in people (okay, women) noticing my bike is loud. Chicks dig me for my rock hard bod.
2) Chrome. Ain't even wiped off my GZ once since I bought it and, unless it's gonna make my pant's dirty, I really don't care how shiny it is (I don't wash my cars much either.)
3) Custom paint, wheels, or any other non-performance related add-on/mod. Actually, I like black. Black and silver in a pinch. I will not buy a white, yellow, orange, green, purple or pink motorcycle.
4) 0-60 in 4 seconds. Super fast acceleration is not that important to me. I can't shift that fast anyway.
5) Top speed of 180 miles an hour. A top speed of 99 or so would probably be plenty.
6) Hand warmers, seat warmers.
7) RV like luggage space. I might be making a mistake here, but a part of me says, "hit the road with a toothbrush" and a few pairs of washable unmentionables. I am also not likely to be sleeping in a tent.
8) Leather saddle bags with shiny rivets. Nice to look at, but, leather? Outdoors? Doesn't seem practical.
9) Tassels, whips, fringes, or other "decorations."
10) No choppers or dirt bikes. Might consider an "adventure tourer" but I suspect, like hybrid bikes, you get the worst of both worlds. Probably don't want a sport bike either, but I need to try one first.

Sarris's exhortation aside, I suspect I am more likely to end up with a Yamaha, Honda or Suzuki than an H-D, but jury is still out on that, not having ridden an H-D yet. And, of course, the BMW looms. (I have driven a Toyota Camry for 25 years.)

Thanks again for all of your ideas.

[dan_]

Also, in all seriousness, I do appreciate the recommendations. I thought it might help if I listed things I DON'T really want:

1) The low-throated rumble of the (insert some V-Twin like engine here.) I'm not interested in people (okay, women) noticing my bike is loud. Chicks dig me for my rock hard bod.
2) Chrome. Ain't even wiped off my GZ once since I bought it and, unless it's gonna make my pant's dirty, I really don't care how shiny it is (I don't wash my cars much either.)
3) Custom paint, wheels, or any other non-performance related add-on/mod. Actually, I like black. Black and silver in a pinch. I will not buy a white, yellow, orange, green, purple or pink motorcycle.
4) 0-60 in 4 seconds. Super fast acceleration is not that important to me. I can't shift that fast anyway.
5) Top speed of 180 miles an hour. A top speed of 99 or so would probably be plenty.
6) Hand warmers, seat warmers.
7) RV like luggage space. I might be making a mistake here, but a part of me says, "hit the road with a toothbrush" and a few pairs of washable unmentionables. I am also not likely to be sleeping in a tent.
8) Leather saddle bags with shiny rivets. Nice to look at, but, leather? Outdoors? Doesn't seem practical.
9) Tassels, whips, fringes, or other "decorations."
10) No choppers or dirt bikes. Might consider an "adventure tourer" but I suspect, like hybrid bikes, you get the worst of both worlds. Probably don't want a sport bike either, but I need to try one first

Kawasaki Vulcan 500. They top out at like 120 mph I think. And get 50 mpg. I sat on one at a dealership it feels similar to the GZ a little higher. Thats what I want when I decide to move up. And a purple bike would match my amp :D

[patrick_777]

Dig through this site: TotalMotorcycle.com (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/welcome.htm)

[Easy Rider]

7) RV like luggage space. I might be making a mistake here, but a part of me says, "hit the road with a toothbrush" and a few pairs of washable unmentionables. I am also not likely to be sleeping in a tent.


A rational analysis.....except maybe for #7. That's what I like about the sport-tourers; integrated hard "bags". Not RV like but enough space in the two side bags for a good rain suit AND some practical groceries. Add the top tub in place of a passenger and you've got enough space (that looks GOOD) for a spartan road trip......and it's all weather protected and under lock and key. Space enough to keep a "suit and tie" to swap for the leathers that you ride to work in.
As long as you are being "douchebag practical" ........... :biggrin:

Edit: OK, here ya' go. Notice near the bottom the "Locate dealer" button and one called something like "Arrange a demo.". I've heard that these folks can be VERY accomodating.....if they know (or reasonably suspect) that you actually have $$$. :tup:

http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/bikes/bik ... ction=tour (http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/bikes/bike.jsp?b=r1200rt&bikeSection=tour)

[mrlmd1]

Alan's seriously got the bug, he's almost gone. Pretty soon we'll see an ad for a 2008 GZ on here.
And kiss that 65mpg goodbye and watch what happens in the spring when gas is back up over $3.00/gal. He'll miss the little ole GZ. :poked: :cool: :cry:

[Water Warrior 2]

Alan, your top/bottom 10 list makes me think you should seriously look at the Suzuki M-50.

[Water Warrior 2]

Oh, just remembered. Yamaha has a new 950 CC V-twin. Have a peek at it too.

[mr. softie]

A few thoughts Alan. I happen to agree most of your criteria are sound.

I have ridden my gz on 400 mile a day rides and that is really pushing it. I was happy to get home to be sure. Perhaps on back roads or smaller highways with lots of breaks it would be better, but still more a test of endurance than fun. I would say 150 to 175 miles per day would be perfectly ok on the gz250. (that's with my marvelous seat mod of course!)

There is a happy medium I think for most touring. I don't think you need an 800lb 1800cc bike to enjoy the ride. It is more about a bike that fits you, is quiet and smooth, reliable as all hell, that can carry the gear you want to carry, on roads you want to ride on. As mentioned above the 600, 1200 or 1250 Bandit makes a nice touring bike with some soft luggage. Lots of people tour on VStroms. Others are partial to FJRs or Ninjas. Harley Davidson owners swear by their bikes. I rode my Moto Guzzi 850 bagger all over the place and had no problems with all day multi day rides. That bike was ~450-500lbs and only ~ 45hp. Plus it was stylish and handled like a dream. All day on the slab is boring any way you do it, But a Valentine 1 and a bike that will cruise all day at 100mph+ make the miles melt away(1000 mile days!) I am not condoning such a thing of course! A bike that is fun to ride is a top priority.

As far as some of the other bikes mentioned:

Big BMW Touring bikes are great but very expensive to own and maintain. Probably best wind protection and ergos of any touring bike. Lots of features. Transmissions can be troublesome.

Honda ST1300's also expensive but very smooth and reliable. Kinda plastic-y looking, but easy to clean (No chrome!) ST1100's can be found much more reasonably, have better luggage, but not as nice a bike as the 1300. The Gold Wing is tops for straight touring but would you really want to be seen on one? Or worse have one fall on you? (800lbs!)

The Kawasaki Concours' are also nice, and have a large support group of loyal owners. And the 1000 can be found in great shape for ~$3000.

The biggest problem I see with big fully faired touring bikes is they lose nearly all their value if they get scratched up or you break any of the plastic. Plus the expense of parts. $250 for a headlamp???

That's just some of what I have read of course I could never afford to buy or maintain any of the big fancy touring bikes! Also notice how many used ones are being sold because the owner has a bad back etc! These things are huge and top heavy and like a pile of bricks till you get them rolling. The rider is one slippery foot plant away from a broken leg. An average size man has to tip toe them at a stop. Plus you need pavement to ride these things on. Get stuck on a soft shoulder or sand etc. and you stay stuck till a wrecker can be called in. I would rather have a bike I could pick up by myself should it fall over, one I could ride down a dirt or gravel road or on dirt or sand with some control, while at the same time be capable of comfortable all day rides. And I need it to look like a motorcycle and not a two wheeled car. Any suggestions?

On the other hand I looked at a 1978 Yamaha XS 1100 yesterday. Thought I might fix it up. 6 1/2 gallons fuel and 45-50 mpg. All day comfort. Lots of cheap parts on eBay. Sub 12 second quarter mile and 135 mph top speed if one were to be so inclined. Shaft drive. Floor boards. 600 lbs and 100 hp. all for about $500 plus some elbow grease and a new tire. Less than a dollar a pound! Highly rated touring bike...

[alanmcorcoran]

Thanks for your time and thoughts softie. It's unbelievable to me how many bikes there are out there to choose from. Although I am a recovering impulse buyer, I am making a big effort to take my time before I dive into another bike. The GZ has worked out perfectly for me for what I bought it for, even though I bought it essentially by default. I had said previously I would probably keep the GZ (like Sarris has) if I buy something larger, but, the more I think about it, the more I think that's not going to happen. I can afford two bikes, but I'm having trouble seeing me making effective use of both of them. Plus I barely maintain one. If I have two, and one is sitting a lot, I can see more overhead and trouble. I need more room in the garage, etc. Patrick and Sarris have done it, but I think they are both more serious riders than I will ever be. Haven't decided for sure yet, but this is making me think I need something practical for everyday around town and that I can take on a multiday trip. So I'm kind of letting go of the 1800cc idea and thinking more of the 600-800cc range. I still plan to rent the big Strat and take a ride up to Monterey. Maybe I will totally love it and then I'll feel better about dropping 15K on a big tourer. I know what you mean about the Goldwing, if i sit on one I'm gonna instantly age 10 years and bye-bye girlies. But, if I really like it, I don't care what I look like. (Besides, the girls only love me for my money anyway.) It's the weight and all that goes with it that bothers me.

It's a shame the GZ isn't just a tad more beefy (say a 350) or I would keep it indefinitely. I'm starting to understand the obsession with squeezing an extra ten mph out of one. I know the big bikes bring on a whole new set of problems, but I was thrilled with the easy power of the Strat after flogging my poor GZ to death to stay alive on the 55. Maybe I'll keep the GZ and just rent the big ones when I want to go somewhere far.

I've seen a lot of potential bikes on Craigslist (in fact, a 2005 Yamaha 1100 Custom(?) caught my eye), but my lack of mechanical smarts is going to make me susceptible to being scammed by someone with a problem bike that runs well enough to sell but reveals serious problems once bought. The dealers are not much better with all of their garbage add-on fees that you will never recover.

Keep the ideas coming. It's a great help to have the collective wisdom of so many riders to exploit while I am sifting through the myriad of choices.

[music man]

Alan, I think you are on to something with the thought of getting a 600-800cc bike, maybe even a 1100, because like you said, you can use it for an everyday bike and a long trip bike. I think a 600 will still be a little smaller than you want for really long trips but anything from the 800-1200 range would be more than enough for any situation.

I have ridden a 600 shadow and even though it had WAY more power than my GZ, it was still a little small for ideal conditions on an extended trip but very fun to ride, and The 1200cc Goldwing I rode while plenty big in the engine department, and had a wealth of storage space, and a seat so comfortable that I could have sat on it at the house to watch T.V. on, it just wasn't my style of bike.

I also have ridden a Kawasaki 1500 Vulcan classic and while it was more my style than the Goldwing, and felt just as smooth and powerful on the highway, it felt like a tank in the handling department to me, it just didn't feel like a bike that I could enjoy blasting down a curvy back-road to nowhere on.

So I guess what I am saying is, is that if I had my choice monetarily speaking, I would probably still never buy a bike bigger than a 1200cc, and probably not a Goldwing style bike either, but if you are looking for extreme comfort on a long trip that is probably the best way to go, I just don't think it is for me.

[Easy Rider]

I have ridden a 600 shadow and even though it had WAY more power than my GZ, it was still a little small for ideal conditions on an extended trip

OK, I have to ask: Just exactly what about the 600 causes you to say that?

My guess is that it is more personal preference than any really solid drawbacks......????

[mrlmd1]

This is all very good advice and it's amazing how many and how varied the choices are when it comes to getting a bigger bike. What is probably a very strong consideration is what are you going to use it for? A big heavy touring bike is probably great for the open highway roads but if you need something more limber and nimble for riding in city traffic, it's not a good choice. And they're not good for the occasional off good-road riding. A good dual sport may fit the bill better with add-on luggage for both city and highway riding with the occasional long trip. It all depends on what you want to use it for like I said, and it has to be comfortable and economical both to operate and maintain and have lots of aftermarket accessories and good support. Then, it starts over, always looking for the next bike. Like with a boat, it's usually the third one you get that you love and keep. But it's still hard to beat the little GZ for most of us.
And renting different bikes to try out or take on a road trip is a good idea to get a feel for them first before plunking down those big bucks. And probably cheaper in the long run too.:)

[music man]

[quote="music man":2kfy5f28] I have ridden a 600 shadow and even though it had WAY more power than my GZ, it was still a little small for ideal conditions on an extended trip

OK, I have to ask: Just exactly what about the 600 causes you to say that?

My guess is that it is more personal preference than any really solid drawbacks......????[/quote:2kfy5f28]


It just felt like if I would have went much farther than the 130 mile trip I took on it, that it would feel like the GZ in the cramped up, sub-par seat department. You also have to realize that I have had three major back surgerys, so it takes a really comfortable ride for me to really notice a big difference. Every time I get off the GZ I walk like I am 100 years old. So Maybe I am a little biased.

So I guess what I am trying to say is, is that the 600 wasn't underpowered for the long haul,(if you need more power than a 600 will give you then you might as well just get you a Hayabusa or some other 200mph crotch rocket and be done with it), just still a little cramped for a really long trip(for me).

[mrlmd1]

Question- is a really big bike, like 800+lbs, 1800ccs, >100hp, any real advantage, other than proving your member is bigger and better than the next guys' ? :??:
For me, for my personal use, I would think 600-1000cc would be more than adequate for what I wanted it for. Maybe I'm not a real "biker" yet. And initial expense, operating expense, and maintenance would be a consideration in my choice. I still prefer the GZ as a good all around reliable economical bike and don't think I will change in the near future as I am not ready to make any jumps for anything bigger or faster 'till I maybe start to plan a long road trip taking all my valuable possessions with me. Just my opinion. :)

[Easy Rider]

It just felt like if I would have went much farther than the 130 mile trip I took on it, that it would feel like the GZ in the cramped up, sub-par seat department.


I've recently heard....and it makes sense to me.....that the forward pegs/controls are more of a cause of that than the seat itself. Must admit that the forward controls is about the only thing I really don't like about the GZ for long trips; must constantly remember to vary my riding position to ward off that dreaded butt cramp. :cry:

[Easy Rider]

Question- is a really big bike, like 800+lbs, 1800ccs, >100hp, any real advantage, other than proving your member is bigger and better than the next guys' ? :??:


I really think that is the primary consideration.......and/or the "welfare Cadillac" syndrome......of riding a bike that everybody knows costs BIG $$$$.

There are some advantages. They take the bumps better (generally), keep the rain and bugs off better, give you more room to wiggle around and will pull a bigger trailer. :shocked:

OTOH, if that is what you want, might as well get a small car. Might be cheaper and get better gas mileage too !! :biggrin:

[Moedad]

Speaking of riding positions on the GZ, has anybody ever tried scooting up onto the pillion seat to stretch their legs/rest their butt a bit on a long ride?

[dan_]

Speaking of riding positions on the GZ, has anybody ever tried scooting up onto the pillion seat to stretch their legs/rest their butt a bit on a long ride?


My dad used to ride my bike sometimes and one time I passed him on the road in my car and he was sitting on it.. he looked pretty goofy. But it is effective.

[alanmcorcoran]

I haven't made it back that far, but I have pressed back against it to get "relief underneath."

BTW, I have been eyeing up Yamaha V star 1100 Customs. Like this one: http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mcy/960599337.html

Thanks again for all of your comments. I think the idea of getting it right the third time rings very true for me. Actually I think I got lucky with the GZ as it was exactly what I wanted for a first bike. But I think it's a lot easier to be happy with your first one than the second one. I am on my third "nice" bicycle. I liked the second one pretty well, but, I REALLY like the third one. I'm on my second pair of ski's. Not totally dialed in but pretty good. I'm on my third piano: a 6' Steinway grand (after a 50 inch Samick upright and a 9' Weber concert grand.) Very happy with it.

[music man]

Speaking of riding positions on the GZ, has anybody ever tried scooting up onto the pillion seat to stretch their legs/rest their butt a bit on a long ride?


I used to do that all the time, but I no longer have a pillion seat. And Easy I think you are right about the forward controls, because the Goldwing I rode did not have forward controls, your feet were pretty much right up under you, and it was WAY more comfortable and much less fatigue.

[mrlmd1]

Has anyone seen this crossover from Honda, the DN-01, at http://www.powersports.honda.com/street/crossover.aspx
Nice looking, 680cc's, 600lbs.,auto/manual trans if you don't like shifting, ABS, 15 grand (oops).

[alanmcorcoran]

I had read something about their breakthrough on the automatic, but I've never seen one.

What about Polaris's Victory motorcycles? Some of them look a little "George Jetson-y" to me, but I don't hear much about them or see them out and about. Anybody have one?

[mrlmd1]

They're not all like that, with the extended rear fender and hard bags, but they are rather pricey. And a little harder to find a dealer to get service.

[music man]

What about Polaris's Victory motorcycles? Some of them look a little "George Jetson-y" to me, but I don't hear much about them or see them out and about. Anybody have one?


There is a Dealer for those here in Hot Springs, and they are very nice looking (most of them) and they are VERY pricey.

[Easy Rider]

Speaking of riding positions on the GZ, has anybody ever tried scooting up onto the pillion seat to stretch their legs/rest their butt a bit on a long ride?

Yes but there is a problem.
I have short legs and then I have nowhere to put my feet.
Well, in truth, when I try it, I can't go back beyond the crack between the seats. (No crack jokes, please!) :biggrin:

I used to do that with my standard that had center pegs. On the GZ, the closest thing I can get is to hook my heels on the passenger pegs.....but that doesn't shift the tail weight much. :cry:

[Water Warrior 2]

[quote="music man":2kmz10jw] I have ridden a 600 shadow and even though it had WAY more power than my GZ, it was still a little small for ideal conditions on an extended trip

OK, I have to ask: Just exactly what about the 600 causes you to say that?

My guess is that it is more personal preference than any really solid drawbacks......????[/quote:2kmz10jw]

The seating position of the 600 is not the greatest for a long ride IMHO. Pegs are to far forward to allow the rider to move about and take some weight off the tail bone. Either it fits you or it does not. Also, if memory serves me correctly the 600 is only a 4 speed tranny which would limit it's highway appeal. A 5 speed would drop RPMs and/or increase cruising speed and comfort. I think Honda still makes them just so riders can outgrow them and trade up to a larger Honda. If Honda did a real redesign with a 5 speed they would sell a boat load a day every day for a long time.

[music man]

You are correct, they are still 4 speed tranny's on the 600 honda.

[alanmcorcoran]

If anyof you are not already sick to death of my quest, I think, with your help and lots of Internet reading, I have been able to add some "positive" criteria (things that would be a plus) to my previous message (of thing I don't particularly want.)

1) Shaft drive (not a biggie, but seems more sophisticated than chain)
2) Can cruise with lowish rpms at 80 (this would knock out the 650 class, but I think the 1100 might be fine. Many ride reports I read on Internet indicate people CAN do longish trips with 600 class motorcycles, but they wish they had something with more power)
3) Big Gas tank. 4.5 at least.
4) FI seems to be preferred over carbs.
5) Good seat. This seems aftermarket fixable, so probably not a dealbreaker.
6) Not sure on the V-Twin vs the other options mentioned. I have read many reports indicating the V Twins vibrate a lot, especially at highway speeds, but it doesn't seem to be universal. I suspect the main reason V-twins are popular is that they look like Harleys, and if it looks like a Harley, well, that seems to be what people think of when they buy a bike.

I'm going to go look at and ride the Vstar 1100 custom tomorrow. It doesn't meet all of my criteria, but, if I can get it for 5 grand, I can ride it for a few years, and then splurge on my "ultimate" bike. And if I lose interest, I'm only out another 5 grand rather than 15 or 20. Thanks again for all of the discussion on this. I know you have all been down this road a million times, and it's a lot less interesting when you aren't getting the bike, so I appreciate it even more.

[Water Warrior 2]

If anyof you are not already sick to death of my quest, I think, with your help and lots of Internet reading, I have been able to add some "positive" criteria (things that would be a plus) to my previous message (of thing I don't particularly want.)

1) Shaft drive (not a biggie, but seems more sophisticated than chain)
2) Can cruise with lowish rpms at 80 (this would knock out the 650 class, but I think the 1100 might be fine. Many ride reports I read on Internet indicate people CAN do longish trips with 600 class motorcycles, but they wish they had something with more power)
3) Big Gas tank. 4.5 at least.
4) FI seems to be preferred over carbs.
5) Good seat. This seems aftermarket fixable, so probably not a dealbreaker.
6) Not sure on the V-Twin vs the other options mentioned. I have read many reports indicating the V Twins vibrate a lot, especially at highway speeds, but it doesn't seem to be universal. I suspect the main reason V-twins are popular is that they look like Harleys, and if it looks like a Harley, well, that seems to be what people think of when they buy a bike.

I'm going to go look at and ride the Vstar 1100 custom tomorrow. It doesn't meet all of my criteria, but, if I can get it for 5 grand, I can ride it for a few years, and then splurge on my "ultimate" bike. And if I lose interest, I'm only out another 5 grand rather than 15 or 20. Thanks again for all of the discussion on this. I know you have all been down this road a million times, and it's a lot less interesting when you aren't getting the bike, so I appreciate it even more.

Alan, I envy you in your quest. Haven't done any real snooping in years. As for V-twin vibrations there are a few reasons. The degree of the V and the crank throws are the main things. Also is the engine rubber mounted or solidly bolted in the frame. Does the engine have counter balancers designed into it ? My VStrom for example is a 90 degree V-twin with perfect internal balancing with no counter balancers. Smooth as a sewing machine. As for 2 VS more cylinders..........a V-twin is narrow as opposed to a cross mounted inline 4 cylinder engine. There are more configurations but a V-twin is easy to build and has less moving parts than multi cylinder engines. V-twins also make more bottom end and midrange torque so you don't have to wring it out for power.

[alanmcorcoran]

The vstar 1100 is rubber mounted (I think, unless it varies from year to year). not sure about the counter balancers. I will try to get it up to highway speed and give it the the "knee against the gas tank" test.

[mrlmd1]

Don't forget the 3000 mile service (and stalling problem) on your own bike while you're looking at all the others. And ask the dealer while you are there, what the service charges are for the bikes you are considering if you're not going to do it yourself. The difference in maintenance costs and gas could be surprising.

[alanmcorcoran]

Yeah, my stalling problem has gotten a little worse. I "discovered" my idle adjustment today and I believe I upped it a tad after I arrived at work this am. Yesterday I had trouble getting out of the parking lot and nearly ran the battery down on restarts (there are no hills for jump starting at the office.) Today I had trouble getting out of my driveway, and ended up artificially keeping my revs high at stops by pulling in the clutch in early and keeping the throttle up. I'm going to hold off on dumping carb cleaner in it because I am going to Chicago again next week and will likely have the bike's 3K service done while I'm away.

I have not heard good things about H-D servicing. Threads indicate that your warranty is tied to the service and the oil change frequency is aggressive. And the service charges are no bargain. The more I read about H-D, the more I think that it's probably not the right way for me to go. But, then, I still haven't ridden one, so who knows.

So many bikes, so little time.

[patrick_777]

So many bikes, so little time.

Why? What's the rush all of the sudden?

[mr. softie]

Alan you have the "need a different bike fever". I do too but have no funds to treat it. I think you should try as many rides as possible among different styles of bikes to see what you like the best. At least sit on as many as possible. I have in the past been enamored of all sorts of bikes but when I rode them or even just sat on them I didn't like them at all. Form should follow function but all too often the marketing department is responsible for the design, leading to a lot of bikes that appeal to us but don't perform the way we want. Try to ride a dual sport, a cruiser, a standard, and a touring bike even if you don't think you will like it. I want to at least try a KLR (ugly), a VStrom (odd but capable), a Concours or ST1100 (plastic), a Bandit 1250 or FJR1300 (sporty and fast) and a S50 or VStar (harleyesque) just to see if they might be the style of bike I would like to ride. My heart of course tells me to buy a Moto Guzzi LeMans 1000 , but would I really want to ride it or just look at it?

[alanmcorcoran]

Well, there's no "sudden" rush, but:

1) I put off getting a motorcycle for a very long time (28 YEARS!)... because "what's the rush," "you're going to kill yourself," "what'll become of your poor wife and kids," and (mainly) "you'll have to go take a test at the DMV!!!"
2) I know there's lot of guys on here that're older than me, but, let's face it, I am old. I have had significant back problems, knee problems, shoulder problems, acid reflux problems and lots of other non-fatal, but fun-limiting issues. I am currently going through a period of relative good health, but I could be one chuck hole away from a compressed/herniated disc and no more riding. I am sure you have seen a number of members "disappear" or quietly put their bikes up for sale. Getting old is real, it hurts, and it happens to all of us sooner or later. Never heard anyone say "I wish I had put off getting my motorcycle until I was even older!"
3) Although I find most of life to be random and pointless, I take comfort (and distraction!) in having and working some sort of plan. My plan in this case was: buy a beginner bike, learn to ride it, and, after 3000 miles get a "real" bike. The odometer on Suzy is right at about 2875. I'll admit the GZ is a lot real-er than I thought it would be, and is probably plenty of bike for riding back and forth to work and the occasional 50-60 miler, but, I kind of want to see what it's like to be astride a big badass machine that'll go 100 down the super-slab if I'm so inclined. I know it was only for a half hour or so, but I really did get a kick out of riding the Stratoliner.
4) Although I've had long periods of relative naval gazing, over the long haul, I've managed to assemble a decent portfolio of life experiences, to the point where, if it DID all end tomorrow, I don't have a so-called "bucket list." I think part of the reason I was able to do as much as I did is I don't dither around once I've made up my mind I'm going to do something.
5) Believe it or not, I don't really like shopping. I'm a recovering impulse buyer. I want my toy and I want it NOW!
6) On the local used ones, you sort of have to shit or get off the pot. Economy non-withstanding, I think the Vstar I'm looking at it is not going to wait around forever. Yes, there will always be others, but, a lot of secondhand bikes are crap, and, my selection criteria narrow the good ones down to just a handful locally.

If you know where I can get help or a cure for my disease, please let me know.

[alanmcorcoran]

Alan you have the "need a different bike fever".

Yep, busted. :plus1: Even worse, I CAN afford it!

But you guys are doing a pretty good job of talking me down off the ledge. I will try to be strong. What the hell is a "Strom" anyway? Some guy in marketing dyslexic?

[mr. softie]

The Moto Guzzi is great (I wish I had the dough), but the KLR might be just the ticket...it will soak up bumps like crazy for example. The VStrom might as well. Like you said, so many bikes so little time...These are some bikes on eBay right now


Moto Guzzi Lemans 1000...
http://www.postimage.org/gx2odvhi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx2odvhi)


KLR...
http://www.postimage.org/Pq2d9r3A.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq2d9r3A)

VStrom...
http://www.postimage.org/gx2oen9r.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx2oen9r)

[mr. softie]

Hey plunk yer money down and stop looking and start riding... the doctors orders!

[alanmcorcoran]

That KLR looks a little "off-roadie." Front looks like a skinny knobbie with a lot of travel in the shocks. Is it a dual purpose or "adventure tourer"?

I ride the GZ almost everywhere (except to the local ski hill.) I gave up my beloved '98 Camry to my daughter last week and my wife is away with the 'burb, so I ain't got a lot of options.

[mr. softie]

The KLR is about 80% paved street and 20% dirt road, and will soak up bumps and rough pavement very well. Top speed close to 90mph I think. Just the thing for riding to Patagonia and back. The 2009's have quite a few upgrades like a bigger fairing and rack, better brakes etc.The V-Strom 650 uses a v twin motor based on the Suzuki SV 650's and has an upright riding position, a bit more suspension travel and a lower power band than the SV. The V-Strom 1000 motor is from the TL1000. Both Stroms share basically the same frame. Top speeds in the mid 120's plus! A favorite among Adventure tourers, they are really "sport enduro tourers." Lots of aftermarket stuff for both. I am leaning towards a V-Strom for my next bike when I can afford one, but would have to ride one to make sure.
V-Strom comes from 'V' for the motor and the German 'Strom' meaning stream or current of air. Here is a DL1000 V-Strom with a sidecar:
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And here is a fully farkled V-Strom 650:

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[alanmcorcoran]

Been reading up on the Suzi M50 after someone here recommended it. Might go look at one tonight.

FI
Shaft
800cc (should cruise at 80 okay. Fifth gear is supposedly an overdrive for low RPM crusing.)
Gas tank a tad small 4.1 I think, but, has low fuel light so might be able to go farther between re-fills. Plus better Gas mileage than 1100.
Liquid cooled (some people seem to prefer this... I suspect there are plusses and minuses)
V twin. No counter balancers, but some business with crankshafts is suppose to reduce vibrations. Some reviewers agree, some don't.
Good wheelbase, but... 600lbs!
CHEAP!!!!

This one might be my next bike.

[Easy Rider]

800cc (should cruise at 80 okay. Fifth gear is supposedly an overdrive for low RPM crusing.)


If you believe Suzuki. A LOT of riders would disagree; there is a buzz at 80........but coming off a GZ, you will hardly notice! :biggrin:

[patrick_777]

Alan, I would try to muster up the willpower and hold off. 3000 miles is not really a lot to brag about, and I can guarantee that you're being over-confident in your abilities right now. You have never even been down yet, are you sure you want your first grounding to be with an 600-800 lb machine? On the freeway?

You are a smart guy, so maybe you should try and restrain yourself a tad bit more.

---says the guy with two motorcycles.

[Moedad]

Someday I'll have a flat black 2008 V-Strom.

[alanmcorcoran]

My Suzi/yamaha/honda dealer has a brand new ' 07 Stratoliner he'll sell me, OTD for 12K. (sales taxes here are 8.5% so that's = 11K) I'm thinking about it. FI, Belt drive. And I'd keep the GZ. They tack about $2200 onto the M50 ("On sale" for $6600, with taxes, license, etc, its 9K [could probably get another 1K off this price].) But the Strat is a lot more bike and includes a nice windshield, saddle bags, backrest, floorboards, tach, two trip odometers, etc.

[alanmcorcoran]

You have never even been down yet

So... I need to fall off the motorcycle first... that's how I know I'm ready for a larger one? Damn, this is going to be harder than I thought. What if I never fall off? I'll be stuck with the GZ forever!

In all seriousness, I don't see how one develops the skill to ride a big bike, without first buying a big bike. Anybody here learned to ride a big cruiser with pure visualization? (If you can think the Stratoliner, you can RIDE the Stratoliner.) The guy that rents the Strats had no problem letting me try one of his out (and encouraged me to take it on the freeway!) without even seeing my license.

I'm aware that these things are heavy, fast and dangerous. But, hell, I see tons of people riding them everyday and none of these folks look like either geniuses or athletes. Most of 'em look like fat, out of shape, middle-aged-to-old geezers. How hard can it be?

I suppose I will look like an idiot if I get the Strat and rack myself up on day one, but I think I will adjust to it as well as I'm going to in fairly short order. I do appreciate the concern though.

[music man]

The guy that rents the Strats had no problem letting me try one of his out (and encouraged me to take it on the freeway!) without even seeing my license.



Don't get me wrong here alan because i am not trying to talk you in or out of buying anything, but was this place that rented you a strat a dealer? I am too lazy to go back and look right now, but he probably encouraged you to take it on the freeway because if you wreck and die, he has insurance, so no loss there, if you live you will love how it felt to be on the freeway on a big ass bike and buy one for what did you say, like 15 grand or so. I would encourage you to go on the freeway too. And if he is not a dealer, then forget I said this. No wait, even if he isn't a dealer, he has insurance, so he still didn't care if you wrecked and died.

Not only that, if he rents big bikes then chances are that he owns a big bike. MOST not all, people that own a big bike think that you should start out as a noob on at least an 800, so he probably thought that you were about 30 years past due for one.

[mr. softie]

Alan I wouldn't worry about falling down because the bike is bigger than the gz either. Bigger bikes are actually easier to ride, you can just get into trouble a lot faster with a more powerful and heavier machine is all. First bike I ever rode was a 1946 Indian 45 with a hand shift and foot clutch, and I was only 12 years old at the time. It had to have been at least 500 lbs to my 80 and I didn't drop it. Good thing too cuz I "borrowed" it from my greaser neighbor when he was at work. :neener:

Anyway it sounds like you really like the strat! From what I've heard they are a great bike. Only raps I've heard are the tank and the bags are a bit small. Plan on stopping for gas every 150 miles or so. No big deal. Riders who keep the cruising revs down to 2500rpm or so get the best mileage- 45mpg...run it hard and that drops to 30-35. Of course gas is the cheapest thing you will ever put into your bike, I have read the rear tire costs about $250! People ride these bikes on very long trips and love the ride. Just ride like the sensible adult you are and you should be fine. Just remember to put the stand down before you get off! :2tup:

[Water Warrior 2]

My Suzi/yamaha/honda dealer has a brand new ' 07 Stratoliner he'll sell me, OTD for 12K. (sales taxes here are 8.5% so that's = 11K) I'm thinking about it. FI, Belt drive. And I'd keep the GZ. They tack about $2200 onto the M50 ("On sale" for $6600, with taxes, license, etc, its 9K [could probably get another 1K off this price].) But the Strat is a lot more bike and includes a nice windshield, saddle bags, backrest, floorboards, tach, two trip odometers, etc.

The Liner sounds like heck of a bike. All dressed up and ready to tour. You would probably be glad to keep the GZ just for running errands and shorter rides. Can't comment on prices b/c us folks in the GWN work with different $ values. I might mention(happily) that some one near and dear to me has a deposit on a M 50 as of today. A new 07 still in a crate and waiting to find a loving home. Gotta love that new bike smell.

[mr. softie]

Most of 'em look like fat, out of shape, middle-aged-to-old geezers

Hey! I resemble that remark! :lol:

[alanmcorcoran]

No, he just rents. And he has some very strict guidelines. You can check them out here:

http://werentmotorcycles.com/Site/Welcome.html

Actually a very nice fellow - and he had one wrecked bike he showed me. If you click on his "warning" he shows how some of his bikes got wrecked. As it happens, the Strat is one of the more pedestrian bikes in his fleet. I saw the Hayabusa and the V-rex in his garage along with a dozen other Eye-poppers. One day I'm gonna rent that V-Rex (it's $300 a day) just to see how many chicks I can get in 24 hours.

I asked him about the wrecked one - they only ask for a 2K deposit and it looked totalled to me - and he said the guy's insurance paid for it.

I gave him my entire history, such as it is, because, to tell you the truth, I was scared shitless of getting on an 1800cc bike... until I got on it. I had visions of dropping it in the parking lot (which, BTW, had a very steep slope to get in and out of.) He wouldn't rent me the others, but he said he'd have "No problem" renting the Strat.

Five minutes later, I was able to unclench everything and was happy to find that it only felt a little more hefty than the GZ. I was careful, but I wasn't anxious. And it was a pleasure on the freeway - really a lot more enjoyable than the GZ. Really have to flog the crap out of the GZ, wind it up to max RPMS, and so on, just to stay out of the way of the traffic blowing my doors off. I was at 75 in 3rd gear on the Strat and it was as if the bike was yawning "ho-hum."

[Water Warrior 2]

Someday I'll have a flat black 2008 V-Strom.

Best to hurry. They keep changing colors. Try for the ABS model if available in flat black.

[alanmcorcoran]

You guys are up kind of late. I hope things are going better for you today Softie! I feel guilty with all this new bike talk after hearing the kind of week you had. (What was your job anyway?)

I looked around for prices on USED 2007 Strats and some are as high as 17K! Motorcycle pricing is NUTS! I thought the car dealers were bad, but this is really insane.

[mr. softie]

yeah I haven't been sleeping too good lately. I worked as a Millwork shop manager at a lumberyard. Mostly dealing with the computer stuff and sales... The lumberyard business is very slow and getting slower. Not a good time to be out of work but at least I have lots of company.

I've been looking at bikes to cheer myself up. Here are a couple I can afford that can still blow the doors off most everything on the highway... an XS1100 Midnight Special on ebay and a Xs1100 standard on another site These are going for $1500 or so in well sorted condition.

http://www.postimage.org/Pq2dWi3S.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq2dWi3S)


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[alanmcorcoran]

Well, assuming you can afford gas, you will at least have a lot more time to ride. Too bad it's probably ten degress below "freezing your ass off" in PA right about now. I understand snow is on the way! Perhaps you could pick up a snow machine instead.

I'm a little anxious about it, but I think I might go buy that Strat tomorrow. Supposed to be windy again all day. Hope it settles down enough for me to ride over there on the GZ.

[patrick_777]

I lost my big ass post I had responding to this, which is a good thing.

In a sense, it said that bigger bikes are MUCH less forgiving, especially with someone with as little experience as you have. That's why the median-class (600-650) motorcycles exist - as a step up. Skipping that step and jumping right into your dream bike is a very good way to ruin a dream.

However, it sounds like you've already made up your mind, so good luck with that.

There's nothing more to say.

[mr. softie]

Hey you should go for it! I will almost be able to see your grin from here.

(If I didn't tell her, I could be in LA....California Dreamin', on such a winters day...)

[alanmcorcoran]

I lost my big ass post

I hate when that happens.

If I get the big one, I'll still have the GZ for most of my local riding. There is some logic to working one's way up, but most of what I see on the Internet is buyer's remorse that one did not buy the bigger model. I wish Dupo would weigh in here, I was sort of hoping he'd give me some encouragement.

[mr. softie]

It is 3:45 am here! Dupo is in the sack I'm sure. But I think he would give you a big thumbs up!

[alanmcorcoran]

I might mention(happily) that some one near and dear to me has a deposit on a M 50 as of today.

Water, sat on the M50 and like its looks and feel a lot. Not sure about the radiator - looked kind of weird. Did you buy from a dealer? I see yours is not the current model year - I am assuming you did not get hosed for the "destination" and "set-up" fees... ??

Are these standard everywhere? Do dealers really get 1200 transportation and 1000 setup on $7200 motorcycles?

[patrick_777]

Buyer's remorse, in most of those cases, is usually due to overconfidence and not appreciating how far you've gotten with what you started with. Each step TEACHES you to handle the bigger step. As an analogy (since it obviously needs it) - They don't throw you out of an airplane by yourself right out of the classroom, they make you do tandem jumps with a more experienced jumper so you'll get used to the feeling of the jump and won't freak when something goes wrong (or even right). The same principle exists with motorcycles for a reason.

Throwing a big bore motorcycle in with so little experience is asking for trouble. They are very unforgiving of mistakes.

[music man]

Dupo's bike is not even half the size of the bike you are going to buy, so I don't think he could help you much in that department, you also have to realize that Dupo did what we are recommending you do, he went from a GZ to a 750, NOT an 1850. And I have never not one time heard Dupo say I wish I would have jumped straight from the GZ to a MONSTER, he might get on here tommorow and say it, but as far as I know he hasn't said it yet.

[Water Warrior 2]

I lost my big ass post

I hate when that happens.

If I get the big one, I'll still have the GZ for most of my local riding. There is some logic to working one's way up, but most of what I see on the Internet is buyer's remorse that one did not buy the bigger model. I wish Dupo would weigh in here, I was sort of hoping he'd give me some encouragement.

And his bike is only a 750 but big enough for his needs and wants. Sat on some really big cruisers today and just didn't like the physical size and weight of 1100 + bikes. Maybe just me with old age syndrome but the 800 CC Suzukis were comfy and large enough. Still capable of cross country trips without the added cost of purchase and less miles per gallon. But that is personal preference. Ultimately it is your money Alan and your desires to fulfill. Have fun spending b/c you earned it.

[alanmcorcoran]

I appreciate the advice Patrick, even though I appear to be ignoring it. If I do get the Strat, I will be hearing your voice telling me "I told you so, dumbass" in the background every time I climb on it. Perhaps that will allow me to live a little longer.

I don't have any illusions of deep experience or expertise at this stage, but I am generally a quick study. If I survive the first few trips I will probably be okay. I have seen many a newb buy an 1100 as a first bike. Perhaps they are road kill now, but the majority of them lived long enough to post at least once.

I promise I will wear my gear if I take the plunge.

[mr. softie]

The big strat is probably a lot safer than a 500-900cc sport bike by a big margin, so displacement is not really the determining factor of safety IMHO. More the maturity of the rider. Hell I would probably wreck on a 250 ninja before I ever got in trouble on a big cruiser. My 2 cents..

[patrick_777]

Who said anything about comparing the Stratoliner to a sportbike?

FYI, there is a huge difference between 500cc and 900(?)cc sportbikes. If you've never ridden that style of bike, you really should try not making blanket (and very incorrect) statements about them.

Hell I would probably wreck on a 250 ninja before I ever got in trouble on a big cruiser.

I seriously doubt that.

[Easy Rider]

Are these standard everywhere? Do dealers really get 1200 transportation and 1000 setup on $7200 motorcycles?

They "get" whatever they can GET. The M50 is a very popular model; the Liner, not so much, thus the difference in add-on fees.

[Easy Rider]

I'm a little anxious about it, but I think I might go buy that Strat tomorrow.

Well, it's "tomorrow"; what's the plan?

I don't know WHY you are hesitating. Everybody here has been telling you for 2 weeks now that this is the perfect bike for you. :shocked:

Well, mmmmm, have I been watching too many politicians lately? :whistle: :biggrin:

One thing that hasn't been mentioned (much) is your extensive experience on a bicycle, which is more valuable than most people think.

You WILL need to do a refresher on the basics......in an empty parking lot.......heavy braking, low speed manuvers and some time in tight road turns when traffic is light. While the Liner will be more stable in tight turns, I'm pretty sure you will have to make a more consious effort to make it turn (understeer).

Congratulations on the new bike !! :cool:
I'm jealous.....kind of.

[alanmcorcoran]

Thanks Easy. I got the sense the fees were somewhat negotiable on the M50, but not how much negotiable. Just seemed ballsy to tack on 1200 for delivery of a 7K MC. They tacked on about 1400 in fees (license, destination, setup, safety check, etc.) to the GZ when I went shopping for that, and, eventualy lowered it to $900, which I still thought was a hosing, but there weren't any others available then. Now, six months later, it's "worth" $1300 on a trade. (The dark side of motorcycle fever!)

[music man]

You are smoking crack if you trade in your GZ for 1300 dollars, you have a bike that is not even a year old, with less than three thousand miles on it, that's all I will say about that part.

Now on to these supposed fee's they are trying to charge you, if you want to find out how real they are, go in to the dealership with the 7k in cash to buy the bike with, or credit card or whatever, anything but financing it, tell them you want to own it free and clear that day, and SHOW them that you can afford it right that second, I guarantee you that you get it for whatever the sticker price is, or maybe even a little lower if they really want to get rid of it.

[alanmcorcoran]

Thanks Music. I'm not trading the GZ for 1300. Also, I used to sell cars, so I know a little about negotiating. I didn't do so good on the GZ250 but, the problem I had then was there weren't any new 250's in the lower half of the state last July.

I have had some more developments on my potential Strat purchase. I'll catch you up later.

[music man]

the problem I had then was there weren't any new 250's in the lower half of the state last July.

That is true I forgot about the fact that you bought your's in the middle of a full on gas price crisis. :oops:

[mr. softie]

Patrick_777,

I rode a 900 Fireblade once and got scared, of course I even got scared on a Norton commando so maybe I just need to stay off really quick bikes (the Norton was "quick" back in 1973). Something about the rear wheel getting loose with a bit too much right wrist movement in a corner. I admit the biggest cruiser I have ridden was a 1,340 cc Harley so granted I know nothing about big cruisers with real power like the Strat. But the Harley was not scary at all. And I have not been on a ninja 250 so I have no basis for my hunch. Thanks for setting me straight.

[dan_]

So... I need to fall off the motorcycle first... that's how I know I'm ready for a larger one? Damn, this is going to be harder than I thought. What if I never fall off? I'll be stuck with the GZ forever!


Theres two types of riders. Ones that have wrecked. And ones that havent wrecked yet.

[Moedad]

Ha! This morning I went and test rode a 2005 Bandit 1200S. Has 39K and the guy is selling it for $1500. HOLY CRAP! I want to join Alan's pussy club. That bike was scary. WAY too much power for me, at least at my level of experience. This bike was like a Ferrari to a V-Dub bug compared to my GZ. I decided I don't like the sport bike riding position, even one that is supposedly more standard like the Bandit. It felt like I was going to launch over the handle bars if I applied the brakes too hard. Had to walk away from the deal, as good as it was. It was very hard.

Rode the GZ 50 miles down the interstate to San Clemente for the test ride. The GZ was buzzy at 70 as always, but did okay, even with the Santa Ana winds buffeting me. Cruised back home up Pacific Coast Hwy. B-E-A-yootiful sunny day, even with the wind. Shoulda had my camera to take pictures for you snow-bound guys, but I didn't.

[mrlmd1]

The guy you rented the Strat from has "very strict guidelines"? It says, under "Terms" on his website, that to rent the Strat you need a motorcycle license and minimum of 2 years riding experience. Didn't you just start riding 6 months ago when you got the new GZ? What the hell, don't turn away a customer with money.

There are those on here that will say go for it if you want it and can afford it, other more ? cautious members who may or may not know more, say wait 'till you have a little more experience and mileage under your belt so you don't get mangled or killed from overconfidence. Like riding at 65 after some champagne on the highway at night in fog when you couldn't see shit.
Only you can make the decision for yourself and you will do what you want anyway no matter what anyone else says.
That brand new shiny big bike that won't last long at what seems like a bargain price is very tempting, but he's had it a while (it's an '07) so why hasn't he sold it yet? Waiting for you to come along? If he was a reputable dealer who was in the least bit concerned with you, he would probably advise you on getting something smaller rather than trying to make some money and get rid of a bike 2 year old bike he can't sell.
My unwanted advice - stop and think a little more before you leap. Go for another motorcycle course, an advanced rider course with your bike, or with the Strat if you get it, and above all, be safe.

[Easy Rider]

Like riding at 65 after some champagne on the highway at night in fog when you couldn't see shit.


Just like a dog with a rope! :horse:

Think about kids with over-protective parents and how they often rebel.

At ~52, Alan is still a just kid at heart (aren't we all?).
At some point, all your harping on safety may be counter-productive. :whistle:

[alanmcorcoran]

Aaah, it's all in good fun and well meaning and I appreciate all of it. Truth be told, the Strat IS too much bike for me.

But I bought it anyway.


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[patrick_777]

Let me be the first to say "Congratulations".

:whistle:

[Moedad]

Shiny!

[alanmcorcoran]

Rode the GZ 50 miles down the interstate to San Clemente for the test ride. The GZ was buzzy at 70 as always, but did okay, even with the Santa Ana winds buffeting me. Cruised back home up Pacific Coast Hwy. B-E-A-yootiful sunny day, even with the wind. Shoulda had my camera to take pictures for you snow-bound guys, but I didn't.

Dude, we mighta passed eachother. I took the GZ down to Mission Motorsports in Irvine off the 5 and the wind (this was at about noon/12:30) was really strong at the 55/5 interchange. I'd read up a bit on wind in the companion book to "Proficient" and I think I was doing a good job with the countersteering, but man, I had EVERYTHING clenched.

Still windy on the ride back, but the change in equipment made a big difference in my sense of security. :whistle:

Moe, we got to go on a road trip!

[alanmcorcoran]

Let me be the first to say "Congratulations".

I'm going to take that as sincere, and give you a hearty, "Thanks!" You guys failed me on talking me down this time (it ain't easy) but one thing to add to your chorus next time: INSURANCE. Whoooeeee! Almost bailed on it when i got my quote from Progressive.

But:
1) It's beautiful.
2) It rides super nice.
3) It's silver, just like my GZ!
4) My dick grew three sizes on the way home. Gonna have to get some touring pants with a little extra room "down there."

Even thought it doesn't really look like I followed anyone's advice, I actually did weigh all of your opinions and they were a part of my decison making process.

I think I might get an M50 too! WW, who has the crated 07's?

[alanmcorcoran]

You WILL need to do a refresher on the basics......in an empty parking lot.......heavy braking, low speed manuvers and some time in tight road turns when traffic is light. While the Liner will be more stable in tight turns, I'm pretty sure you will have to make a more consious effort to make it turn (understeer).

:plus1:

Easy,

As always, you are right on the mark. It's not like I'm completely starting over, but it's a hell of a lot more challenging than riding the GZ. Quick question: What is the recommended stop/start sequence on one of these beasts when pulling, UPHILL, up to a stop sign, on a pretty decent grade? (meaning, your ass will roll down the hill backwards if you are not firmly on the brakes.)

Followup question: Same scenario, but now you are heading back DOWN the hill.

All comments, taunts and snide remarks are welcome!

[music man]

4) My dick grew three sizes on the way home. Gonna have to get some touring pants with a little extra room "down there

That is a good thing, cause your wife said it had some shortcomings.. :lol: :poked: :whistle: :tongue: :neener: :crackup

[patrick_777]

I'm going to take that as sincere, and give you a hearty, "Thanks!"

It was meant to be "sincere".

:whistle:

[Easy Rider]

Let me be the first to say "Congratulations".


Too late. I got in about 6 posts back. :poked:
Well, a little guess work was involved but it was a pretty obvious call. :biggrin:

[Easy Rider]

Truth be told, the Strat IS too much bike for me.
But I bought it anyway.


Naw, I think you will get along just fine. Really.

I do await, however, the report of what happens when you try to BACK it up that driveway in the other direction. :poked:

[alanmcorcoran]

The guy you rented the Strat from has "very strict guidelines"? It says, under "Terms" on his website, that to rent the Strat you need a motorcycle license and minimum of 2 years riding experience.
That brand new shiny big bike that won't last long at what seems like a bargain price is very tempting, but he's had it a while (it's an '07) so why hasn't he sold it yet? Waiting for you to come along? If he was a reputable dealer who was in the least bit concerned with you, he would probably advise you on getting something smaller rather than trying to make some money and get rid of a bike 2 year old bike he can't sell.

I'm just as cynical as the next guy, maybe more, but if you had met Jack, you would know he's actually a very decent fellow. I had given him my history in an e-mail and I think he realized that given my age, (and obvious intelligence!) and, perhaps the 3000 miles logged in 6 months, and the number of lengthy canyon twisty rides I'd already done, that I was a little ahead of the typical newb curve. More importantly, he took my call today and we chatted for a while (at no charge!) about what he thought about me buying a Strat (and not from him, plus, if i buy, no rental for him either) and he was very generous with his time and observations.

As far as the dealer goes, it was me that spotted the Strat in the back (in the "bargain bin.") It turns out that there are a lot of these 07's out there. Apparently the Strat did not sell as well as expected in '07 and Yamaha auctioned off a bunch of them to the dealers at below cost. The original dealer had it marked at 13K out the door. They dropped it to 12K out the door after I made a half-joking counter offer of 10K. Today, they back pedaled, and said they had looked up the wrong VIN and went back to 13K and refused to budge. I walked. Jack told me about another dealer that had one. They wanted 15K OTD! But, eventually, I negotiated them down to 12K - roughly equivalent to a $9,500 starting price. I don't know if it's a good deal or not, but I have seen '07 Strats on the Internet advertised for 12, 15, 16 and as much as 17K. If you want an '09 (basically the same bike) you are probably looking at 19-20K OTD.

I think prices depend a lot on where you are in the country. They sell a lot of bikes out here in So Cal, real estate for the dealerships is pricey, people working at the dealerships get paid a lot more money, sales taxes and license are higher and blah, blah, blah. I know I could make a better deal in Iowa in mid winter, but, well, I ain't in Iowa. In any case, nobody shoe horned me into this bike.

Having ridden it before and after, there's no question it's more bike than I need or should be riding, but I am hopeful I can grow into it without death or dismemberment and save myself the cost of one more upgrade.

[Easy Rider]

I think I might get an M50 too! WW, who has the crated 07's?

Nope. I change my recommendation.......for someone in your area. The last week or so, there have been several M riders come out of the woodwork complaining about the handling in windy conditions.

Now we're gonna have to change your nickname from douchebag to codpiece !!! :crackup :haha2:

[patrick_777]

No...he's still "douchebag".

[alanmcorcoran]

That is a good thing, cause your wife said it had some shortcomings..

Yeah, well, my wife said yours had some shortcomings too! Waitaminute..... that didn't come out right...

[Easy Rider]

What is the recommended stop/start sequence on one of these beasts when pulling, UPHILL, up to a stop sign, on a pretty decent grade?

This is a hard question for someone who has been riding 40 years because you just do some things without thinking.

I don't think up/down hill really makes any difference.
If you were in the habit of holding the GZ stopped with your feet, you need to UNLEARN that little trick quickly. :skull:

Here's what I do:
Most importantly, down shift as you slow down and click it into first just before you stop......this is so that you don't have to dick with the shifter when stopped which makes the process MUCH more confusing and dangerous.

Secondly, use both brakes until the very end, just incase and to develop that good habit, then at the very end stop with the front only so you can get both feet down (you can do that, can't you?). You should NOT lean the bike until after you have determined that you have firm footing on BOTH sides. One foot in a pothole (do you have those in Cali.?) or one foot on oil can be a disaster if you are leaned toward that side.

Now you are stopped, in 1st gear, clutch pulled in, both feet on the ground, front brake engaged.
That is the time to lean a tiny bit left, firmly clamp on the rear brake and release the front in prep. for twisting the throttle to GO. If the grade is steep, you can use both brakes until the last second.......and you can keep the rear applied until the clutch starts to grab. That will be a NEW skill you need to practice since you probably could hold the GZ on a hill with NO brakes.

That's about it. If it's a long stop, you need to putz around with your feet to find neutral but you've probably done that on the GZ. Best to stay in 1st. even on long stops until you get used to balancing the beast from one side to the other.

[mrlmd1]

Well I'm happy you got it, might even wind up safer on the highway than the GZ if you watch yourself like I know you will. I didn't want to give you a hard time, just something to think about . Doing your homework saved you a pile of cash but think about the follow-up advanced course of there is one in your area, you might learn something about handling a much bigger heavier more powerful bike.
And now you have to get new pants without the burn hole in the leg. 'cause you can't be seen on that thing with a burn hole in your leg.

[alanmcorcoran]

Here's what I do:
Most importantly, down shift as you slow down and click it into first just before you stop......this is so that you don't have to dick with the shifter when stopped which makes the process MUCH more confusing and dangerous.

Secondly, use both brakes until the very end, just incase and to develop that good habit, then at the very end stop with the front only so you can get both feet down (you can do that, can't you?). You should NOT lean the bike until after you have determined that you have firm footing on BOTH sides. One foot in a pothole (do you have those in Cali.?) or one foot on oil can be a disaster if you are leaned toward that side.

Now you are stopped, in 1st gear, clutch pulled in, both feet on the ground, front brake engaged.
That is the time to lean a tiny bit left, firmly clamp on the rear brake and release the front in prep. for twisting the throttle to GO. If the grade is steep, you can use both brakes until the last second.......and you can keep the rear applied until the clutch starts to grab. That will be a NEW skill you need to practice since you probably could hold the GZ on a hill with NO brakes.

Thanks man, just what I needed. I have always been a "leave it in firster" so at least I have that down. With the GZ, I did most of this, but, you can easily manage the GZ with one foot indefinitely. I can get both feet on the ground with the Strat, but it's a slight stretch compared to the GZ (which sits a bit lower.) As everyone has told me, the Strat is not as forgiving as the GZ, and what would be an easy-to-recover-from eff-up on the GZ, could easily break your leg on the Strat.

I basically have to practice the getting the two feet down so it is automatic instead of "optional." I'm going to hit the school parking lot tonight, just like I did back when I first got the GZ.

Thanks again.

And yes, we have both oil and pot holes here, but a lot less than IL. Don't get the frost heave action on the "surface streets."

[alanmcorcoran]

And now you have to get new pants without the burn hole in the leg. 'cause you can't be seen on that thing with a burn hole in your leg.

True that. I spoke to Jose in the parts dept at Mission Motor and he said he would call Caliber on Monday and either get me a patch or new pants. I'll be pretty pleased if either of these occur.

[Water Warrior 2]

Holy Cow Alan. That is one pretty looking bike. Very nice indeed. Like the added trim parts and the wheels are just so sweet in my eyes. Did I say I like it ??
On to a change in subject now. Lynda talked to the Suzuki money man today and didn't get a real fine bottom line figure so the deal is off. Back to plan "A" and a new M in early MAY. The 07 bike belongs to Suzuki and is up for grabs by any dealer in the area. $ breakdown in CAN currency. 6995.00 for the bike. 395.00 documentation fee( should be 100.00 mmmmmmmmmax in my mind) and 495.00 set up and PDI. $$$ for anything extra they can talk you into. Gov sales tax(GST) 6 %+ Provincial sales tax(PST) 6%. Registration and insurance is with our ever intelligent provincial gov. Apparently the same basic cost as the GZ. Lynda will be in a much better financial state by sticking to plan A so she is still happy and actually more determined than ever to get the M.
Now my job is to research forums and discover the best windshields, bags, crashbars, driving light combos, blah blah blah..............................etc.. And then of course a headlight modulator, Hyper Light modulating brake lights, heated grips, power outlets, clock, outside temp guage, GPS and mount. The list just goes on and on but we both have a fair idea of what we want on our bikes for the long term. Maybe another tank bag too. Oh that list is making me hurt.

Once again...........ALAN.............CONGRATULATIONS !!!!! :2tup: :2tup: :2tup: :2tup:

[alanmcorcoran]

Thanks Water,

Took the battle wagon out for a spin this evening. I'm still a little iffy on the stops, but I'm already getting relaxed riding it. It handles almost exactly like the GZ in the turns, and that is amazing to me. The only place where I'm a little awkward still is stops and takeoffs on hills. The clutch is a little stiffer (requires a little more muscle than the GZ) and you have to shift with a little more authority. But overall, it's really not that different once you are moving.

I have to look down a little more to see the speedo (it's on the tank!) and, I'm always going too fast. Why don't they put the speed reflected in the windshield? That would be nice. Tank has a clock too. No more trying to pull up my sleeve. And the gas gauge is nice.

The whole thing has a Art Deco design, reminiscent of the thirties with the "mass forward" look. Very arty, but in a different way than the GZ. I didn't set out to buy a "pretty" bike, but, it is definitely eye candy. Got a sweet rumble to it too. Not too loud, but very throaty.

[Easy Rider]

Now my job is to research forums and discover the best windshields, bags, crashbars, driving light combos, blah blah blah

Have a look here:
http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/forum/

[Water Warrior 2]

[quote="Water Warrior":da8ny21b]Now my job is to research forums and discover the best windshields, bags, crashbars, driving light combos, blah blah blah

Have a look here:
http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/forum/[/quote:da8ny21b]

Thanks Easy, among my Favs now. Looks like a good source.

[mrlmd1]

Not trying to be a party-pooper and I enjoyed reading and contributing to the 5 pages in this thread and the 2 in the next (Strat) thread, but isn't this a Suzuki GZ 250 forum? I know this is in "Other Bikes And Misc". but............. Oh, never mind. :??: :poke2: :neener:
Have fun Alan, stay up in the cloud as long as you can, keep the rubber side down, all that stuff. Don't completely forget the GZ and how you got here.

[Water Warrior 2]

Just to carry the topic along. The deal is back on for Lynda's new M 50. Seems they worked a little magic and reduced the downpayment by $750. All the rest remains the same so it looks more acceptable for Lynda's personal finances and upfront money. We will be doing up the paper work this coming week and they will store the bike until the weather cooperates enough to bring it home. Gotta feeling it will come home sooner in the back of the Ranger.

Comment to the previous poster. Yes, this a GZ 250 forum and we love it. This forum also sees members grow and move on to different bikes. One of the charming characteristics of the GZ is it's ability to teach newbies to ride and gain skills. Many folks outgrow a GZ and move on. The GZ has done one of it's purposes in the world of 2 wheels.
If you personally are satisfied with a GZ and see no need or desire to move up we are happy for you. I have no desire to move up from my present ride either. Maybe someday in the far future but not now.

[alanmcorcoran]

One final post, and this is for those of you that are thinking about going bigger, but are on the fence...

10 Things I Really Like About My New Bike:

1) Goodbye "slow lane", Hello Whatever Effing Lane I Feel Like!
2) No more having to sneak through the electronically controlled left turn lanes. Haven't hit a sensor yet I can't trip.
3) Self cancelling turn signals! Just as I was getting into the habit of turning them off.
4) No more downshifting on a hill. Pretty much no more downshifting period.
5) I can retire my bungee cord. Well maybe except for my racquetball racquet.
6) Windy? Aww, this ain't windy.
7) Fuel gauge. With low fuel indicator. And automatic fuel odometer, if you still go in for that sort of thing.
8) Tach. Not supposed to go over 2500 rpms for long during the break-in. (Note: You pretty much never have to go over 2500 rpms. Unless you like speeding tickets. The mandatory court appearance kind. Not that I know anything about that. :whistle: )
9) "Well, the model says it's 1900cc's but it's really just a tad over 1850. Why, what size is yours?"
10) Handles just like my GZ AND it's got a clock on the tank. I like to think of it as an eleven thousand dollar clock.

Okay I'm done. I will limit all future riding posts on this site to my GZ experiences. I'm sure I will get bored with the Strat soon.

Thanks for putting up with all of my non GZ related bullshit. This site earns my Douchebag Seal of Approval. You guys rock.

[patrick_777]

I like to think of it as an eleven thousand dollar clock.

Wouldn't you call that a "crotch watch"?

Okay I'm done. I will limit all future riding posts on this site to my GZ experiences.

Please don't. Just because one person bitches in a thread doesn't mean you have to comply. This IS in the "Other Bikes" forum as even HE pointed out.

Fuck 'im. Keep the posts coming.
:rawk: :chop: :rawk:

[music man]

I agree With Patrick, this is the "Other Bikes and Misc", your new bike experiences actually BELONG HERE. Plus it is actually benificial BECAUSE of the fact that most GZ owners eventually move up, they will get useful input from you not only about riding a bigger bike in general, but more specifically what to expect from a Yamaha Stratoliner, and because you still own both bikes, how they compare to each other.


So I actually think that you are doing the other GZ members on here a service by telling us about it (in this section of the forum).


So keep em' coming :popcorn: , (in this section of the forum of course).

[mrlmd1]

I'm not bitching - you have the wrong impression. It was a lame attempt at mild humor - so you guys lighten up this time. Like I said, this is the "other Bikes, etc" place where this takes place. and it has been taking place quite well.
And speaking of other bikes, I just spoke to a long lost cousin of mine who has a Honda Valkeyrie Rune. Awesome single rider 6 cylinder road bike. Anyone have knowledge of these? Might be nice if there was a decent aftermarket for accessories.

[music man]

I'm not bitching - you have the wrong impression. It was a lame attempt at mild humor - so you guys lighten up this time.


I hope you didn't think I was aiming my post at you, (I really need to start learning to use the quote function more) :oops: , I was actually posting that because Alan had said (in another thread I think) that he was gonna stop posting about his new bike because this is "a GZ forum" and I was just reassuring him that as long as he kept it in this section, I actually WANT to hear about it.

So even though you sort of caused me to post that by bringing it up I was actually encouraging Alan more than I was responding to what you said, like I said I really need to learn to use the quote button more.


(EDIT)Now that I went back and read my post, it did seem like I was bitching at you, sorry about that :crazy:

[Easy Rider]

Not trying to be a party-pooper

Oh really. Coulda' fooled me. :skull:

There is a Yahoo GZ250 forum where there have been no new messages for about 10 days now.
Maybe you would be happier hanging out there ??

[mrlmd1]

Hey. ER, now you lighten up. Read the whole post next time, and what I said 2 posts up before you wrote this. A little bad humor.
If it wasn't for this thread, there wouldn't be anything on this forum either as it's been pretty quiet the past week or two except for one or two new members. I guess everybody's bike is running well right now or all the problems have been solved on here, or maybe everybody's bored or busy with other stuff.

And again, anybody know of the Valkyrie Rune?

[alantf]

Weeeeell'
I saw one just last week in (of all places) a VERY expensive car showroom - I mean a showroom that sells VERY expensive cars. It just sat there looking like it realised just where it was, & knew that lesser showrooms were not for it! AWESOME!
When I got home I looked it up on the internet. Apparently very few of the 1900s were made. The Jap home market models even had reverse. I suppose that's because the little short arsed oriental gentlemen couldn't duck walk them backwards.(I'm not sure that I'd like to try either)
I don't remember the name of the site, but it's well worth searching for it, just for the drool!

[patrick_777]

If it wasn't for this thread, there wouldn't be anything on this forum either as it's been pretty quiet the past week or two except for one or two new members. I guess everybody's bike is running well right now or all the problems have been solved on here, or maybe everybody's bored or busy with other stuff.

It's winter. It slows down on every bike forum during the season. This is actually more activity than I expected.

[alanmcorcoran]

All right, I'm violating my own rule (what else is new...) And, it's winter, right? So anything goes.

One of the guys in the Fun Soccer League (basically a pickup game a buddy of mine invited me into a few months ago) is a motorcycle LEO and privately owns a big HD. I'd been riding the GZ to the game for the last six weeks or so, with the ATGATT (kind of wear the gear over the soccer stuff.) Nobody had directly made any comments about the bike, because they don't know me that well, and, they're sort of friendly, but I could tell a lot of them thought both the bike and the gear were a bit much.

So, ennyway, after the game yesterday, the motorcycle cop (he drives a Mustang Bullitt to the field) asked "hey where's your bike?" A bunch of the other guys got a little interested when I pointed out the Strat. (Naturally, they all assumed it was an HD.) My LEO friend was kind of gushing over it... I asked him to help me figure out the helmet lock (it's a cable thingie.) He did get a little quiet after he asked me "How many cc's." Apparently his H-D is "only 1400..."

He stuck around though to see me ride off. I think he wanted to make sure I didn't plant my face in the pavement. We both got on the 91 side-by-side. Usually the last I see of him is the Bulllitt emblem disappearing off into the distance. This time, last I saw him was over my shoulder at the on-ramp.

[OC Hoosier]

Congratulations on the new ride alan! I don't know if you plan on riding passengers or not, but have you considered removing the extra seat and back rest? I've seen a few pics on the Internet with them removed, and IMO it really adds to the retro/deco look!

My GZ is seeing less riding these days as well, since I bought a Kymco Venox a couple of months ago. It's obviously nothing compared to your new MACK truck, but I was able to tale a pack of bikes on the 405 from Mission Viejo to Costa Mesa on Saturday, running a steady 80-85mph the whole way...not bad for a v-twin 250. Any canyon runs planned for the new ride??

[mrlmd1]

Alan, if you can't find the helmet lock or you want something more secure than locking the chin strap to the bike, here's a picture I posted back in April I think, for an alternative.
Get a gun cable trigger lock from the local police dept, they usually give them out free. It's locked on to the sissy bar in the picture. Let the helmet sit on top of the sissy bar, loop the cable through the chin/face guard to the upright bar and lock it. If it starts to rain, the inside of the helmet doesn't get wet and nobody's going to steal it. Leave the cable lock on the bar when you're not using it or store it in one of the bags. Don't lose the key. If you get a longer cable lock you can also weave it through your jacket sleeves and lock it on the bike if you want to leave it there for a while when you take a walk , if the jacket won't fit into your bags.
:) :cool:
Don't comment on the rusty chrome on the bike in the picture, that's before I cleaned it up.
http://www.postimage.org/aV2z8409.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV2z8409)

[alanmcorcoran]

but have you considered removing the extra seat and back rest?

Already removed the seat. (it's Quick release - takes literally a few seconds.) Took The Beast out past Cook's Corner and down El Toro to the Starbucks off to the right there. I didn't stop at Cook's. Moe and I had no incidents when we stopped there with our GZ's last fall, but I didn't want to show up in Harley land with a big shiny new imported bike in the middle of the current meltdown.

There was a sweet Kawasaki Vulcan in the Starbuck's (looks like it is water cooled - I am starting to learn a few things!) Saw a guy and his two up-per sipping something at the tables. Looked a lot like the Strat except for th radiator - if that's what it was. FYI, the Yammmy is Effing HOT! (And I mean that in a Fahrenheit and Centrigrade way, not a Paris Hilton way.)

Not familiar with the bike you mentioned, but i'm usually in town on the weekends and I'd be up for a group ride. Moe and I had fun when we tried it the first time. I believe he's ready to move up as well, so this might put him over the top.

Not to rub it in mid westerner's but... it was 85 and sunny here yesterday.

[alanmcorcoran]

Alan, if you can't find the helmet lock or you want something more secure than locking the chin strap to the bike,

Thanks for the tip. My soccer LEO friend helped me figure out the D-ring cable thing. I don't know if I'm going to use it though. I've gotten used to dragging the helmet around. I am a sort of low-hassle guy, and I'm not sure I want to add more stuff onto the bike. If I get TWO helmets, though, might be worth it.

[Moedad]

Hey Alan, how far do you think can you get on a tank of gas in the Strat? It's 4.5 gal, right?

[Moedad]

I believe he's ready to move up as well, so this might put him over the top.

For me, though, money IS an issue.

[alanmcorcoran]

Hey Alan, how far do you think can you get on a tank of gas in the Strat? It's 4.5 gal, right?

Not sure, Have only filled it once. It came with enough to drive it home. I've got about 100 miles on it or so and I think I have a quarter tank left. I'm thinking 120 in town, maybe 150 on the highway. I believe it is 4.5 gals (but no reserve in the traditional sense.) I read the low fuel comes on when you have .8 gals left. So part of it depends on how lucky you are feeling.

[Easy Rider]

He did get a little quiet after he asked me "How many cc's." Apparently his H-D is "only 1400..."


If you are gonna keep up this "Mine if bigger that your's" crap, we might have to do you some serious bodily harm !! :skull: :biggrin:

Still waiting for that gas mileage report and a story about accidentally parking it nose down against an immovable object........at which point, you will probably need help from those with smaller......machines. :crackup

[alanmcorcoran]

I've been real careful, so far, to avoid pointing it face down with no exit. Could use a "reverse" that's for sure.

I'll let you know what I can on gas mileage: Early guess? not that great! I'll be happy if it gets 40-45. It does have FI, but, it's got way more acceleration than even my Suburban, which has a pretty hefty (and gas hungry) engine in it. I don't think the built this one for mileage. I'll be spending a lot of time at the Mobil station.

[Easy Rider]

I'll let you know what I can on gas mileage: Early guess? not that great!

NO.....really ?? Big surprise !! :shocked: :biggrin:

[mrlmd1]

I also was going to ask what the gas mileage is with 1800cc's pushing around almost 1000lbs. (you and the bike).
A few questions now that you've had this for a short while - we need your experience now to educate the rest of us.

Other than the pain of writing a big check,
Any reservations or recommendations now on moving up from a 250cc, 300lb, to 1800cc's, 800lb., motorcycle, without stopping somewhere in between first?
How does it handle in the city congested type of traffic being that big?
How long do you think that ear to ear grin is going to last every time you even think about it as well as ride it? For most of us including me, it would probably be forever. I doubt it will wear off, but let me know anyway. :) :) :2tup:
As an aside, I can't believe the dealer didn't give you a full tank of gas, you get one in a car when you leave the showroom.

[Easy Rider]

As an aside, I can't believe the dealer didn't give you a full tank of gas, you get one in a car when you leave the showroom.

Impulse buyer. Love is blind. :whistle:

Wonder what else they screwed him out of because of those thick rose-colored glasses he had on ??? :roll:

[mrlmd1]

As an aside, I can't believe the dealer didn't give you a full tank of gas, you get one in a car when you leave the showroom.

Impulse buyer. Love is blind. :whistle:

Wonder what else they screwed him out of because of those thick rose-colored glasses he had on ??? :roll:


You said it, I'm glad of that, and I agree.
But If I said that, someone (maybe you) would have jumped all over me. :poke2: :biggrin:

[alanmcorcoran]

A few questions now that you've had this for a short while - we need your experience now to educate the rest of us.

Any reservations or recommendations now on moving up from a 250cc, 300lb, to 1800cc's, 800lb., motorcycle, without stopping somewhere in between first?

Not really any reservations as far as the bike or the size. In fact, I'm glad I skipped the mid range. Would have been a waste of time and money (for me, anyway) I think. Here's a few things that you guys didn't mention, but should be considered by upgraders:
Inseam is VERY IMPORTANT when upgrading. Ideally, you should be able to touch the ground, while on the seat, with both feet flat. I'm 5'11" and I can't quite do that, but I'm pretty close.
INSURANCE. This will ultimately be my single biggest cost. Probably the single most important consideration for most competent riders NOT to go too big.

I've only been on it three days, so don't want to sound like Johnny expert, but, regular readers know I am a big pussy and, if I was afraid of the thing, I wouldn't hesitate to tell you. I have had to tighten up my slow speed maneuvers and, it takes a few days to re-adjust to the start/stop, clutch control business, but, honestly, once the thing is going, I sometimes forget I'm on a bike that's twice as big as my old one. A good analogy is trading up to an Excursion from a pinto. It's gonna be a lot different in the parking lot, but, once you are on the road and going, you are never going back to the Pinto.

How does it handle in the city congested type of traffic being that big?

The Strat handles real nice. The only time I get a little clenchy is on stops/starts on steep hills. I'm getting better at those, but you have to focus or you'll have "issues." On the flats, it's no problem at all. Best "tip" can give is: Plan your stops, take it esy - and waituntil the bike has stopped moving before you attempt to put your feet down. It's really no big deal.

How long do you think that ear to ear grin is going to last every time you even think about it as well as ride it? For most of us including me, it would probably be forever. I doubt it will wear off, but let me know anyway.

Unfortunately, I tend to get used to stuff pretty quickly. To be serious for a moment, I'm a little sad because this is one of my last little middle aged fantasies, and, well, now I've done it. I still haven't taken a long road trip with it, I'm looking forward to that, but as many of you oldsters are well aware, the anticipation of these things is often better than the event itself. One good thing is that I don't have any buyer's remorse (the impulse buyer's hangover!) If anything, I think I got the right bike for me. Did I mention I tend to overthink these things!!

As an aside, I can't believe the dealer didn't give you a full tank of gas, you get one in a car when you leave the showroom.

That's actually not always true. I am, among other things, an ex-car salesman, and back in the day, we didn't do that as a matter of routine. I did use it a few times to close a deal, but I had to take the car myself to the gas station and fill it with my own money. Of course back then we were talking, like 6 or 7 bucks. I know some dealers do that as a matter of course, but it's not universal.

[music man]

One or two words of advice Alan, First of all don't be so quick to say that you are glad you skipped the mid-range bikes, because A: you haven't ever even rode a mid-range bike, and B: you haven't rode that big bike long enough to make that kind of judgement call.

But that being said, if you did get what you really wanted on the first try, you will be a lot luckier than I ever have been, Oh and I haven't got to say this yet, Nice Bike Alan.

[Easy Rider]

1) Inseam is VERY IMPORTANT when upgrading. Ideally, you should be able to touch the ground, while on the seat, with both feet flat. I'm 5'11" and I can't quite do that, but I'm pretty close.

2) INSURANCE. This will ultimately be my single biggest cost. Probably the single most important consideration for most competent riders NOT to go too big.

3) To be serious for a moment, I'm a little sad because this is one of my last little middle aged fantasies, and, well, now I've done it.

1) Did we forget to mention the inseam thing? Well, that kind of goes along with gettting a bike that is TOO big. You can easily gain an inch with a different seat or by removing a little padding.

2) Does the douchebag-impluse buyer apply to buying insurance too ?? Shop around a bit. I don't know what you got or who with but many have found that the best "know" names for bike insurance are not always the best, price wise. Check with the company that insures your house or cars; sometimes they will insure a bike ONLY for existing customers. Get a big deductible.

3) Did we fail to warn you about that too ?? :roll:
No, believe me you aren't done yet. Just because you have one of the biggest monsters on the road doesn't mean it is the best. You WILL get the itch again.......might be years or only months.......... when you see something you like better. It is kind of like Herpes; never completely goes away and flares up again from time to time!! :biggrin:

[patrick_777]

Hell, you might actually end up wanting something *gasp* SMALLER!

[JWR]

And your problem would be???????? :jo: :jo: :jo:

[patrick_777]

And your problem would be???????? :jo: :jo: :jo:

I'm sorry? :skeptical:

[JWR]

No , you posted while I was was on reply.

I should have used the quote function.

Just :poke2: :poke2:

[patrick_777]

No prob.

[Sarris]

Brother, you've been riding a year, maybe. You've had your new 1800cc bike two days.

Shit.... Alan, I'd say your fantasy hasn't been fufilled, I'd say it has just begun.

Oh yeah, and that Chubski thng while riding? It never goes away.

;) :)

[alanmcorcoran]

1) Did we forget to mention the inseam thing? Well, that kind of goes along with gettting a bike that is TOO big. You can easily gain an inch with a different seat or by removing a little padding.

I kind of knew about the inseam thing from sizing bicycles. Unlike motorcycles, bicycles come in different frame sizes, pus you can eff with the bar clamp to increase or decrease the "stretch" and bicycle seats typically have a few inches leeway in the post. It's a pretty good fit, but think I'd be happier with it about an inch lower, but I can kind of do that artificially by scootching up to the seam between the seat and the tank when I pull up to a challenging stop (steep uphill or downhill.)

2) Does the douchebag-impluse buyer apply to buying insurance too ?? Shop around a bit. I don't know what you got or who with but many have found that the best "know" names for bike insurance are not always the best, price wise. Check with the company that insures your house or cars; sometimes they will insure a bike ONLY for existing customers. Get a big deductible.

I sort of did, but it's not totally unsalvageable. When I got the GZ, my cars were with Allstate and either they couldn't sell me motorcycle insurance or couldn't do it over the phone, I forget. I went to Progressive and liability for the GZ, for a year, was three hundred bucks. Howevah, I went full coverage on The Beast, and that was a lot more. But, I only had to pay for half a year. When my policy due date aprroaches I will shop around some more. I have tlaked to other (younger) bikers that have been quoted as much as SEVEN GRAND for insurance on their superfast sport bikes (for a year!) so, it's had to tell what is a hosing.

3) Did we fail to warn you about that too ?? No, believe me you aren't done yet. Just because you have one of the biggest monsters on the road doesn't mean it is the best. You WILL get the itch again.......might be years or only months.......... when you see something you like better. It is kind of like Herpes; never completely goes away and flares up again from time to time!!

An interesting analogy. And I believe you are correct sir. If I end up liking long road trips, I could see myself moving up to the $20K touring RV bike. We'll see.

[alanmcorcoran]

Hey Alan, how far do you think can you get on a tank of gas in the Strat? It's 4.5 gal, right?

Moedad, I have a preliminary guestimate: Not based entirely on science, I am calculating my current gas mileage at about 38mpg. The guage is on empty when I have about a gallon left. At .8 of a gallon, a light is supposed to come on and it actually starts counting the "miles since the light has gone on" for you. I had an opportunity tonight to run to down to that point, but I chickened out (see "Alan is a pussy" posts for further exp.) I could probably push the GZ for a mile, but I can't barely roll the Strat ten feet without risking a hernia. So, given an effective usable tank of 3.5 gals, I would estimate the crusing range at about 130 miles or so. If one feels lucky, maybe 150.

Hope it doesn't get worse after break-in.

[alanmcorcoran]

Brother, you've been riding a year, maybe.

Six months actually.

You've had your new 1800cc bike two days.

Uhhh... it's actually 1854cc, sir.

Yeah, I'm still sort of behaving myself on The Beast. Haven't had it up over 80 yet, partly waiting until I log few more miles, partly waiting until it's 18 months since my last speeding ticket, and partly due to the break-in recommendations. I've also been taking it easy on takeoff. The thing feels pretty damn quick - has a ton of power down low, unlike the GZ.

On my first ride out to Cook's (the standard Sunday morning ride around here) it was a whole different experience than when I first took the GZ out there. Partly because I've learned how to countersteer a lot better, and partly because I didn't have to think about shifting at all. Just point it, lean when necesary, and go. Nobody waiting to pass me, and I actually passed a few "real" bikers (at their invitation!)

[mrlmd1]

I said --Quote:
As an aside, I can't believe the dealer didn't give you a full tank of gas, you get one in a car when you leave the showroom.


Alan replied-- That's actually not always true. I am, among other things, an ex-car salesman, and back in the day, we didn't do that as a matter of routine. I did use it a few times to close a deal, but I had to take the car myself to the gas station and fill it with my own money. Of course back then we were talking, like 6 or 7 bucks. I know some dealers do that as a matter of course, but it's not universal.

I disagree. I have never bought a new car that I drove away that didn't have a full tank of gas. Is customary at least on the East Coast, and a courtesy and thank you from the dealer. You spent 12 grand for a 2 year old bike and the dealer couldn't put 12 bucks of gas in it for you? Are the profit margins that tight that he just gave you enough to get home? Maybe the gas was 2 years old also. That's pretty chintsy and upsetting to me anyway.

[patrick_777]

When I bought my truck (new) I actually had to ask them if they were going to fill the tank up. They did, but it wasn't going to happen if I didn't bring it up.

[Joho]

I have tlaked to other (younger) bikers that have been quoted as much as SEVEN GRAND for insurance on their superfast sport bikes (for a year!) so, it's had to tell what is a hosing.



Just for reference... I paid 354 for 12 months of comprehensive coverage through esurance..

1. at the time i was 17 years old, and insurance companies JACK UP the prices for men under 25!!
2. i had one ticket for improper use of signal, and one not-at-fault collision
3. i personally owned the bike outright, and the insurance was in my name (companies also like to jack up prices for young'ns without credit history)

So I feel like I got a pretty good deal. Especially because I really wanted theft coverage!


Also, Congrats on the new bike.. it looks AMAZING!

[alanmcorcoran]

Thanks Joho. That gives me hope. I'm 50, have excellent credit and also own the bike. Although you could paper a small room with my tickets, I seem to only get one every 18 months, like clockwork, and I always suck it up and go to "school" so they don't show up on my record. I think a large part of the coverage is the collision. Did you get that?

[Water Warrior 2]

Weeeeell'
I saw one just last week in (of all places) a VERY expensive car showroom - I mean a showroom that sells VERY expensive cars. It just sat there looking like it realised just where it was, & knew that lesser showrooms were not for it! AWESOME!
When I got home I looked it up on the internet. Apparently very few of the 1900s were made. The Jap home market models even had reverse. I suppose that's because the little short arsed oriental gentlemen couldn't duck walk them backwards.(I'm not sure that I'd like to try either)
I don't remember the name of the site, but it's well worth searching for it, just for the drool!

Thr Rune did not sell well because of it's styling and lack of utility. Other than a tank bag you couldn't haul much else. The price was even higher than a loaded Gold Wing.

[Cruiser]

Alan,
Just wondering how you liked the new ride after a few years?

Cruiser

[alanmcorcoran]

Still my favorite bike (have three now) Still ride the GZ for non-highway - have 4600 miles on it. To compare, I have 14,000 on the Strat. Did several multiday tours last year on it - one for nine days, 2000ish miles, one for four days to Death Valley. Search on here for more deets.

It's a pretty sweet bike.